Why are we all so glum?

[jetermacaw]

  "It is so clear to me that Borgata always kep tits service level HIGH,
and its Video Poker offerings are about the best AC has to offer...and I
am sure Borgata is NOT setting its VP games down into the Slot levels
of 80s percentile return."     Question for you Mr. DaBurglar, if you make the statement that Borgata has the best VP in all of AC, how is it that you haven't played there during these past few years of harrowing results in all the other properties? Why did you keep going back to the same properties if you could never win? Something seems amiss to me.  

[chattycattty]

[QUOTE=chattycattty] [QUOTE=DaBurglar] Atlantic City is paying the price for constantly tightening paytables and slots .... this is beyond dispute.All the people who complain that it was the competition in other states that "stole" AC's business and is the reason AC is now dying are totally myopic.......under their logic,  AC is supposed to just assume all the business they ever had would remain theirs, and that new casinos opening in neighboring states were not supposed to "touch" their existing customers but instead find their own business........argghhh!What AC never grasped (due to laziness and arrogance) is that the other casinos ALSO had to compete with AC, and that AC (given its position and advantage of having been there FIRST and longest) SHOULD have had a easier time at least RETAINING a large chunk of its business, certainly enough to prevent the wholescale MELTDOWN we are now seeing.It is ludicrous to think that, by tightening paytables and slots, and slashing service, that AC would retain its customer base in the face of tight competition.   it is NOW clearly obvious that AC should have been LOOSENING everything and giving players a real reason to play in AC instead of down the street.    I was advocating this 3-4 years ago and I have been proven correct beyond any shadow of a doubt.    One more thing:  Why is it that BORGATA is still able to THRIVE (not just survive) in the same market all the other casinos operate?    How is Borgata able to prevent its business from being "poached" by all these competing out of state casinos???     Why isnt anyone asking that question and why isnt the boardwalk casinos looking to see what Borgata is doing right?      It is so clear to me that Borgata always kep tits service level HIGH, and its Video Poker offerings are about the best AC has to offer...and I am sure Borgata is NOT setting its VP games down into the Slot levels of 80s percentile return.      But we all need to remember.....Borgata is run by a VEGAS company, whereas the other NJ casinos are run by (lol) "New Jersey" people.

Yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn. Give me a break.[/QUOTE]lmao   This is by far your best post yet, certainly the most clear and valid simply because it has no ambiguity.    See, your whole BS about "positive vibes" is a veil for passive aggressive behavior...I've known many people like you.    You spout all this nonsense about how life is "all about your mindset" and attitude, but as SOON as things do not go YOUR way, or someone annoys you or gets the better of you, out comes the contradictory behavior and hypocrisy.   You are possibly the most NEGATVIE person here and dont even realize it.   [/QUOTE] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep digging Daburglar. The hole you are in is getting deeper and deeper.

[DaBurglar]

  "It is so clear to me that Borgata always kep tits service level HIGH,
and its Video Poker offerings are about the best AC has to offer...and I
am sure Borgata is NOT setting its VP games down into the Slot levels
of 80s percentile return."     Question for you Mr. DaBurglar, if you make the statement that Borgata has the best VP in all of AC, how is it that you haven't played there during these past few years of harrowing results in all the other properties? Why did you keep going back to the same properties if you could never win? Something seems amiss to me.  

This is a valid question, and one I have asked myself and addressed over the last 2 years....here is my HONEST attempt to answer this:If you start with the fact that when I first visited AC for the FIRST time in my life in 2009 (February), I chose Tropicana as my initial property to stay and play at......as a new customer back then, they initially kissed my crippled azz and gave me lots of comped rooms and food after my second stay in March 2009, such that for the rst of the year into February 2010 I never even stayed or played (beyond dabbling an hour or two at the other casinos once in a while) anywhere else in AC except the Tropicana!     With me so far?In March of 2010, as the winter dissipated and I began to explore AC in earnest, I became interested in staying at other properties, but the BOARDWALK was all I was familiar with and felt comfortable wheeling around to and fro......My actual VP play results at the Trop from February 2009 thru February 2010 were slightly below normal statistical expectations (but not anywhere near the bottom I would eventually reach.)   But the free rooms kept showing up from the TROP, and at this time thats all that mattered in me selecting where to stay.   In APril 2010 I played SIGNIFICANTLY for the first time outside of the TROP, at Ballys/Caesars and Trump PLaza (the three centrally located Boardwalk casinos.)   My play results were slighty worse than Trop, but at this point I am still naive (as well as new and fresh) to AC so I have not formed any strong opinons yet....I just believe I am unlucky.   But Comps now come in from Caesars as well as Trump and I start to branch out.      <pause for station identification>This continues thru 2011 when I finally started to catch on and form a opinion on what AC was all about.....By December 2011 I had stayed at every place on the Boardwalk, and noticed that, with a few exceptions, most of my trips had experienced terrible VP results, and my DETAILED data that I retained of my play, were showing some ridiculous  trends in particular to "ZERO" (or DUD) hands, which should run 55% on average for a legit game, but I was in the mid 60s percentage.   Up to now I had never really considered the Borgata as an option since I never found myself over there to play due to its location and lack of accessibility for me except by the JITNEY (or a 20 dollar cab fare!)   I finally visited and played (VIDEO POKER) at the Borgata in earnest for the first time in early 2012, but I was immediately enamored of its awesome POKER ROOM and found myself looking to play in its high stakes tournaments.    My problem here though, I still had LOTS of free rooms and food and slot play from the various Boardwalk properties, and continuing into 2012 I kept playing MOST of my VP on the boardwalk.    This was extremely tough to break for many reasons, but keep in mind, I did not fully become aware of this apparent LARGE difference in the quality of Video Poker results between Borgata and the Boardwalk until the late part of 2012:    Up to this point, while I knew something was OFF with the boardwalk casinos' VP ,  I had no conceret PROOF other than my own stats and the words and input of fellow players I knew personally and the input of some casino executives and employees, as well as the words of a few NJ gaming commission employees (located on Tennessee Avenue.)If you recall, when I first showed up here and started posting in EARNEST in 2011 I was both plastering my play results and opinions and input regarding AC video poker, hoping someone else might corroborate (or DISPROVE) my results and theories......I ALWAYS have held out the possibility that I may be wrong, but until I am shown concrete proof.......I curtailed much of MY VP play in AC in spring of 2013 and have remained "curtailed".....when I play at Borgata it is first and foremost as a POKER player, and as such, as of VERY RECENTLY actually, I have just started to FINALLY receive some room offers for midweek comp rates at the Borgie.........this will allow me, when NOT playing real live poker, to spend what free time I do have in the casino to play Borgata's VP machines, which will further add (hopefully) to my comps and allow MORE free stays over MORE days and nights throughout MORE of the year.So soup to nuts Jeter, it has been a long gradual, arduous process, but eventually I have indeed come around to what you originally asked and advocated, shifting what VP play I am prepared to do from the boardwalk to Borgata.   The ease of accessibility of the boardwalk  versus the remore locations of the Marina (where Borgata is situated)  has much to do with why its taken me this long, but there are many other factors as well.BUT.....I am sure I cannot be the only player here who, over the course of time, has found his or herself staying and playing at a casino that may or may not be their first choice but is chosen nonetheless because that's where the comps are!edited to add:  one last point, in an effort to be fair and honest by showing that (contrary to what others here insist) I do not think I am better or superior or special compared to everyone else:    One more reason, from mid 2011 thru early 2013, I did not start moving away from the Boardwalk casinos to Borgata, has to do with simple human stubborness and cognitive dissonance on my part, or what might be termed "car wreck syndrome"....as my horrid results persisted amongst the various Boardwalk properties, I found myself caught like a deer in the headlights trying to make myself look away....I simply refused to believe this could continue,  a part of my thinking said "the others  on the forum have to be right", this is just a momentary extended case of bad luck, the numbers will correct themself eventually, etc etc.     Do you understand?

[DaBurglar]

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep digging Daburglar. The hole you are in is getting deeper and deeper.   once again, I rest my case      all you have left to do now is do your best peewee herman imitation and start ranting "I know you are but what am I?!?!!?"

[Tedlark]

[QUOTE=chattycattty]    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep digging Daburglar. The hole you are in is getting deeper and deeper.   once again, I rest my case      all you have left to do now is do your best peewee herman imitation and start ranting "I know you are but what am I?!?!!?"[/QUOTE]
   DaBurglar I believe this may very well be your shortest post EVER. I stand by my opinion that you try to oversell yourself here by making ranting, long drawn out posts.

[DaBurglar]

   DaBurglar I believe this may very well be your shortest post EVER. I stand by my opinion that you try to oversell yourself here by making ranting, long drawn out posts.I see....well sir, you'd be standing ALONE  with your opinion then....Oversell?   what am I selling, and where's the money/profit?   You keep using that term, or angle, and yet you are the one always RESPONDING to my "long drawn out rants" .... ERGO, apparentlly, since the purpose of making a POST on this FORUm is to get others to RESPOND, then you sir are BUYING whatever it is I am selling.

[Tedlark]

  I'm not buying so much as an ounce of what you're shoveling.

[BillyJoe]

    One more thing:  Why is it that BORGATA is still able to THRIVE (not just survive) in the same market all the other casinos operate?    It is so clear to me that Borgata always kep tits service level HIGH... Borgata is run by a VEGAS company...

Well, from what I have observed, keeping "tits service level high" is a formula that has worked well in Vegas.. Why be surprised ?

[Tedlark]

  Double
!!!

[Vman96]

Well, from what I have observed, keeping "tits service level high" is a formula that has worked well in Vegas.. Why be surprised ?

Unintentional comedy gold!