Days like this keep us coming back

[olds442jetaway]

Yes, it is very "ironical" that some of MY biggest hits lately have come on absolutely crappy paytables, but I have not posted about this because it is still more evidence in my mind that AC video poker is warped.Let's put it this way.....I was experiencing all those horrific results ONLY playing the 99% - 99.5% games in AC, and none of them were really paying.     Once I ceased all conscious effort to only play the best paytables, and once I stopped being anal retentive about tracking my play and stats, things actually improved markedly.Of course, it is only a happy coincidence, but still......"Ironical".....Anyone know what movie the "word"   IRONICAL is from???Anyway olds, I will let you know when I hit the two Native American monstrosities down in your nape of the neck......neck of the nape.....woodsy abode.....etc.I totally forgot about the I-95 freeway, I am only familiar with I-91 and I-84, but since I dont drive and instead get driven around in my handivan burglar mobile, it is not crucial that I recognize what freeway I happen to be on!   Especially in southeastern Connecticut!.......................................................The following part is from Olds. Don't know why it came out like one big quote.

     Now we have another potential new topic. How are vp.comers hitting on the poor paytable games compared to the 99% ones. Many of the pictures I see posted have terrible paytables with great hits. My guess is those are the only ones available in those areas, but if folks have a choice, I wonder which ones are hitting the big jackpots. One thing I have noticed is multi line games in general have poorer paytables and also games with multipliers, bonuses etc. The old fashioned single line games are the only ones I see with the supposed 99 percent returns and I have never come close to that number with millions of hands played. My numbers on those 99 percenters range in the 96-97 range long term.

[Lucky Larry]

Olds,
when the "timing" is with you the streak can be incredible. I just wish I knew what it took to always "get my timing".

[olds442jetaway]

Yes, timing is everything. I have hit a Royal on my first hand for a session and as you know went over 500k hands without one. These days I try and concentrate on Deuces quads sort of like Fla Phil. Don't have to wait as long. By increasing my bet sloooooowly over the session hitting the deuces quads will offset losses for the rest of the day. If other premium hands appear, so much the better, but I don't count on them. Of course there are days when no premium hands appear or deuces quads and those are the loser sessions.

[DaBurglar]

On my last sojourn to AC, I spoke at length with several of my long time friends who work security at the Taj MAhal and Resorts......our conversations covered a wide spectrum of topics, but themost interesting topic centered on Security and Regulations and how the current version (and practices) of the New Jersey Gaming enforcement division is implemented.According to my three friends, the short answer is this:   For the last year (and beyond) there has been virtually NO spot inspections, checks or visits of any kind from the NJ Gaming Enforcement division at the two casinos my friends cover.   They spent a lot of time telling me how, in the past, EVERY AC casino had a office right on the casino floor clearly visible to all that was staffed 24/7 with at least several on duty Gaming Agents, who did all kinds of duties pursuant to making sure the casinos were run properly, and all problems and issues addressed with alacrity.This was all done away with starting around 2008 (some casinos sooner, some later), such that by 2010, ALL the on site offices in all the AC casinos were abandoned.Now stop for a moment and just consider this development alone.......this is at least disturbing, at most calamitous for those of us who want their FAITH in the fairness of casinos BACKED UP by works.....how can anyone argue casinos are now MORE fair and honest than they were previously?    Short answer is you cannot.....The NJ gaming enforcement division was essentially gutted and its duties absorbed by other State of New Jersey departments and Bureaucracies......this we know.     MY perspective, and any objectivity I possess is strictly limited by my circumstances as a player and customer....but I am a very FREQUENT player and visitor of AC, plus I have a solid background of staying & playing in other gaming markets so as to be able to COMPARE  how AC stacks up against such places as Vegas, Reno and elsewhere.AND I TELL YOU THIS:   Atlantic City, as it exists today, has the POTENTIAL (not certainty, but potential) to have at least a FEW irregularities in its operations, its gaming tables and its machines.....some of these irregularities JUST MIGHT BE  slot or Video Poker machines which, on close inspection, may be rigged to prevent any player from truly winning in a fair and square manner.And I believe, after almost 6 years of visiting AC, that I have come across at least a few such machines.And all the usual platitudes about "Oh no, a casino woul dnever do that!  They'll lose their license!  blah blah blah"  just no longer carry the same gravitas, or realistic application.....they just do not.    When casinos are going belly up, who the hell cares about losing their license when they may in fact be EXTINCT in no time at all......just food for thought.

[BillyJoe]

On my last sojourn to AC, I spoke at length with several of my long time friends who work security at the Taj MAhal and Resorts......our conversations covered a wide spectrum of topics, but themost interesting topic centered on Security and Regulations and how the current version (and practices) of the New Jersey Gaming enforcement division is implemented.According to my three friends, the short answer is this:   For the last year (and beyond) there has been virtually NO spot inspections, checks or visits of any kind from the NJ Gaming Enforcement division at the two casinos my friends cover.   They spent a lot of time telling me how, in the past, EVERY AC casino had a office right on the casino floor clearly visible to all that was staffed 24/7 with at least several on duty Gaming Agents, who did all kinds of duties pursuant to making sure the casinos were run properly, and all problems and issues addressed with alacrity.This was all done away with starting around 2008 (some casinos sooner, some later), such that by 2010, ALL the on site offices in all the AC casinos were abandoned.Now stop for a moment and just consider this development alone.......this is at least disturbing, at most calamitous for those of us who want their FAITH in the fairness of casinos BACKED UP by works.....how can anyone argue casinos are now MORE fair and honest than they were previously?    Short answer is you cannot.....The NJ gaming enforcement division was essentially gutted and its duties absorbed by other State of New Jersey departments and Bureaucracies......this we know.     MY perspective, and any objectivity I possess is strictly limited by my circumstances as a player and customer....but I am a very FREQUENT player and visitor of AC, plus I have a solid background of staying & playing in other gaming markets so as to be able to COMPARE  how AC stacks up against such places as Vegas, Reno and elsewhere.AND I TELL YOU THIS:   Atlantic City, as it exists today, has the POTENTIAL (not certainty, but potential) to have at least a FEW irregularities in its operations, its gaming tables and its machines.....some of these irregularities JUST MIGHT BE  slot or Video Poker machines which, on close inspection, may be rigged to prevent any player from truly winning in a fair and square manner.And I believe, after almost 6 years of visiting AC, that I have come across at least a few such machines.And all the usual platitudes about "Oh no, a casino woul dnever do that!  They'll lose their license!  blah blah blah"  just no longer carry the same gravitas, or realistic application.....they just do not.    When casinos are going belly up, who the hell cares about losing their license when they may in fact be EXTINCT in no time at all......just food for thought.
Of course, DB, anything is possible. NJ moving Gaming Enforcement out of an independent status, and into the same organization that collects casino tax revenue for the state should cause many to take pause and think.

I do not believe, however, that a 'biggie' casino operation, like CET, would do anything in the AC market that may jeopardize licensing or reputation. A stand-alone casino - who knows.

[DaBurglar]

   Of course, DB, anything is possible. NJ moving Gaming Enforcement out of an independent status, and into the same organization that collects casino tax revenue for the state should cause many to take pause and think.

I do not believe, however, that a 'biggie' casino operation, like CET, would do anything in the AC market that may jeopardize licensing or reputation. A stand-alone casino - who knows. This is sound logic Billyjoe, and I agree with this in the general sense.....but I would ask you, and anyone else reading this thread to consider this possibility/scenario:The risk of a stand alone casino (like REVEL) that is losing, and has been losing, gobs of money and is "on the way OUT" actually going into and rigging their machines is quite high......whats to stop them?      In Revel's case, I would not be surprised if, right now, as we type and read, with their doom sealed, some of their slot and VP  machines are rigged such that NO one can win anything even remotely sizable.    The obvious beneficiary would be whomever the casino manager would be in cahoots with to help him pull it off, and share the spoils from the rigged machine!!!    Revel is Doomed, on its way out.......what could possibly deter them from doing such a thing?Well the answer is "They might go to jail if they are caught".......but here is the rub:  HOW.....HOW on earth Will, or WOULD, they ever GET caught?    Seriously, how would they get busted, given that gaming enforcement is so overstretched and spread so thin as it is?????      This is what I have been saying.....it is NOT that the regulations do not exist, or do not stipulate the sever punishment for violations.....it is that the LIKELIHOOD of actually getting caught is so slim!

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar why would you now agree, in a general sense, with billyjoe? How many times before have you dug your heals into the sand and staunchly affirmed the opposite?

Also, what would stop Revel executives from doing this is the possibility that the machines could be tested and examined AFTER Revel closes. Evidence gathered after the commission of a criminal act could still result in charges being filed. Lets not forget that maybe some of these Revel executives MIGHT still want to have a career in the gaming industry with a company other than Revel so why would they RISK their careers? Revel is already on record as loosing what, a MILLION dollars a month? Rigging the machines for a couple days prior to the closing of their casino would do NOTHING toward wiping out any loses.

[DaBurglar]

DaBurglar why would you now agree, in a general sense, with billyjoe? How many times before have you dug your heals into the sand and staunchly affirmed the opposite?

Also, what would stop Revel executives from doing this is the possibility that the machines could be tested and examined AFTER Revel closes. Evidence gathered after the commission of a criminal act could still result in charges being filed. Lets not forget that maybe some of these Revel executives MIGHT still want to have a career in the gaming industry with a company other than Revel so why would they RISK their careers? Revel is already on record as loosing what, a MILLION dollars a month? Rigging the machines for a couple days prior to the closing of their casino would do NOTHING toward wiping out any loses. I am leaving all possibilities open, as he does....and that is what Iam "agreeing with".....And I am not talking about a mere couple days!    Revel has been "dying" for a long time now, this you cannot disagree with.....and in fact, Revel's bankruptcy/closure first hit the headlines way back in June and soon became official.So picture a fraud that is taking place over the course of (at least) several months and you get a lot different picture than a mere couple days.I am not saying this is all "DEFINITE" and has happened for a certainty, not at all!    This is all HYPOTHETICAL conjecture, except you seem unable or unwilling to engage in it....which i snot surprising because it requires an imagination.I will give you credit though for this excellent point:   Some of the Revel Management just MIGHT want another job in the gaming industry AFTER they close shop, so yes, if they were caught engaging in malfeasance, then good by gaming career!   I agree with you totally there.....BUT.......you still have not answered or laid out JUST how they'd actually GET busted and by whom.    Where would the agents from the gaming enforcement division come from to "check" all those hundreds (or is it thousands?) of VP machines, not to mention the THOUSANDS of slot machines that used to be in Revel?   Do you realize just how much of a herculean task that is?    I submit the chances of them finding even one rigged machine is very low (assuming that machines were rigged in the first place, and the perpetrators were smart and "only" rigged around 5% of the total number of machines)

[Tedlark]

No, you aren't leaving all possibilities open. You are backtracking, AGAIN...

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=Tedlark] Also, what would stop Revel executives from doing this is the possibility that the machines could be tested and examined AFTER Revel closes. Evidence gathered after the commission of a criminal act could still result in charges being filed. Lets not forget that maybe some of these Revel executives MIGHT still want to have a career in the gaming industry with a company other than Revel so why would they RISK their careers? credit though for this excellent point:   Some of the Revel Management just MIGHT want another job in the gaming industry AFTER they close shop, so yes, if they were caught engaging in malfeasance, then good by gaming career!   I agree with you totally there. I submit the chances of them finding even one rigged machine is very low (assuming that machines were rigged in the first place, and the perpetrators were smart and "only" rigged around 5% of the total number of machines)[/QUOTE]
I do not know the specific process, but I would think that when a machine changes owners, whether it be through a sale of the entire property inventory, or disbursements of the assets, the machines would need to be re-certified by a Gaming Commission (wherever the machines ended up) before they could be allowed to operate under the new owner's gaming license. I would think that this would also apply to things like roulette wheels.