broke my golden rule and it cost me

[Tedlark]

If you are going to gamble, learn the best way to play and then only play with money you can afford to lose....and then just ACCEPT what happens.







   DaBurglar to save time I culled out the most important part of your post. In the above you totally contradict almost ALL of your posts because you HAVEN'T ACCEPTED what happens.    You cry and moan about your lousy play in Atlantic City. You invent(your term, not mine) words and terms like "slottified" and "dud rate" but yet you can't do the above?   I think you deserve an achievement award from this site for using the term: point of fact multiple times. Normally when that term is used it is to only reflect one point of fact.

[DaBurglar]

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If you are going to gamble, learn the best way to play and then only play with money you can afford to lose....and then just ACCEPT what happens.







   DaBurglar to save time I culled out the most important part of your post. In the above you totally contradict almost ALL of your posts because you HAVEN'T ACCEPTED what happens.    You cry and moan about your lousy play in Atlantic City. You invent(your term, not mine) words and terms like "slottified" and "dud rate" but yet you can't do the above?   I think you deserve an achievement award from this site for using the term: point of fact multiple times. Normally when that term is used it is to only reflect one point of fact. [/QUOTE]and this bothers you because .....???I never cry and moan about my lousy "PLAY" in AC you arrogant deceptive (bleep)......I cry and moan about the absurd statistical results I received playing games like 8/5 BP (a 99.17% game.STOP distorting what I write and say, I'm serious.  I've already buried you in this regard, what are you trying to do now?  show the world that you really are the stubborn jackass I already know you to be?

[Tedlark]

  Play and results are the same thing as far as video poker is concerned.

[DaBurglar]

  Play and results are the same thing as far as video poker is concerned. Oh ok 

[FloridaPhil]

I understand the Dancer strategy perfectly and why it works for him. The vast majority of recreational video poker players don't have enough money to wager to make comps an issue.  If you're a Bob Dancer and playing $25 or more a hand, the casinos will give you a lot of things to keep you coming back.  Quarter players don't get much for free and outside of Vegas we are lucky if we get a free lunch once in a while.  I have a family and a business that depends on me. I can't afford to jeopardize any of that so that I can stay in a Vegas suite once in a while.  My problem with the whole Dancer strategy is that it does not work for 99% of the players for one reason or another and chasing Royals at that level will most likely bankrupt you. If you want to take that risk, I say go for it.  I'm just as happy playing quarters.

[BillyJoe]

I understand the Dancer strategy perfectly and why it works for him. The vast majority of recreational video poker players don't have enough money to wager to make comps an issue.  If you're a Bob Dancer and playing $25 or more a hand, the casinos will give you a lot of things to keep you coming back.  Quarter players don't get much for free and outside of Vegas we are lucky if we get a free lunch once in a while.  I have a family and a business that depends on me. I can't afford to jeopardize any of that so that I can stay in a Vegas suite once in a while.  My problem with the whole Dancer strategy is that it does not work for 99% of the players for one reason or another and chasing Royals at that level will most likely bankrupt you. If you want to take that risk, I say go for it.  I'm just as happy playing quarters.
I totally agree, Phil, and have been telling Dancer that every time that he chooses to spar with me on The Forum.

Even though I live in FLA, I travel and play enough at a high enough level to earn 7Star (Caesars) and NOIR (MGM) player status (Dancer STILL owes me an apology for calling me a liar on this Forum on that point), so the comps do make a big difference for me, assuming the comps have value. As an example, In October, (health permitting), I am scheduled for a 7Star cruise out of NYC (7 days) to the NE and Canadian Maritimes, with a day in Atlantic City both before and after. Later in October, I am playing in a golf tournament in Biloxi at Fallen Oak (MGM). In both cases, all costs are covered by the casino, except tips and, of course, gaming losses. Since this is something that I will enjoy, it has value to me. I do not see where playing 4 hours/day on a 5 day trip at a stand-alone casino in Las Vegas, like SouthPointe, about 5 times a year, just to get another FH and Flush credit on their VP paytables, would be better.   

So, like you, I do not have access to positive EV games within the two casino groups that I play. As such, I have to take what I can when I get it.

[Minn. Fatz]

Advantage play, the Dancer system, whatever, it works at any betting level, just like table poker is the same game whether you're playing for buttons or Benjamins. The mistake that costs you a dollar at a quarter a credit costs you a hundred at $25, just like making the right play at $25 makes you a hundred times more than quarters.

And it doesn't matter whether the RNG keeps "shuffling" while you pick your draw or whether it "shuffles" once and stops after you hit the Deal button, then gives you the next cards off the "top of the deck." The right play is the right play either way.

With your 3-card draws from 3 to a RF plus a paying pair, your RF cards would have to be the next two off whatever version of the deck the RNG gives you. If one of the RF cards turned up third you wouldn't have drawn it anyway.

Drawing two to three Royal cards, you fill the hand once in 1,081 trials. If you give up more tossing paying combinations than you make from the Royal, tossing the payers is a -EV play. It's mathematics, not rocket science.

Of course this all assumes that the games are really random. But if you don't believe that, why play VP instead of Keno or the lotto or (my favorite ) Dean Martin slots?

[FloridaPhil]

I don't have anything against Bob Dancer. If fact, I think we own him a debt of gratitude and if I ever met him I would tell him so.  His software is excellent and is the only program I have seen that allows me to simulate denominations and the pay scedules in my own casino as I play.  His insight into comps and how they affect the overall profit is informative and helpful, not to mention teaching us how important it is to play as close to perfect as we are physically able.  The problem with most players using the Dancer strategy is that they ignore his rule #1 "He never plays negative expectation games".  I have no choice, but I'm smart enough to know what's going to happen if I try to play like a Dancer on a 96% machine, so I found something that works in my world. 

[DaBurglar]

yes  I also must agree about the one portion of B.  Dancer's mantra about avoiding "negative expectation games".......this is almost impossible except in Vegas and Reno.....almost all other gaming locales have nothing but negative games!    Now of course there are the rare exceptions to this, if you want to count progressives in a place like AC that get high enough to push the game into positive territory, but this is only temporary and is artificial.Any other encounter in AC of a positive expectation game on a VP paytable would most likely be an ERROR by the casino!But I do my best by Dancer, by trying to play the BEST games available while maximizing comps and other associated perks and giveaways to get th emost out of it.....but I do not do this obsessively or anally.....in other words, i do not punish myself with self loathing and pushups if , on a cold weeknight in AC, I just say "ah heck with it" and play something like 9/5 DDB......instead of the ubiquitous 8/5 bonus poker games everywhere.

[Tedlark]

  Not even by doing those push ups where you clap your hands when your arms are fully extended?