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Just goes to show you that casinos are not too keen on skilled or advantage Video Poker Players.
The "forever" $.25 VP Progressive has recently been converted to the auto hold feature, thus allowing one button play to one and all. Gone are the days of watching folks hold their lucky number 7 with a pair of Aces.
Other changes made this past year and a half is the removal of all the Game Maker VP machines. These offered DB, DDB, TDB, $1,$2,$5, in 9/6 payouts. Gone to are the IGT $1,10/6 DDB, and $.25, 9/6 DDB. Replaced by 8/5 and 6/5 offerings. I really liked those Game Maker machines. I could probably give you a hundred thousand reasons why.
As an aside, and based solely on an unreliable source. The reason Bally's got out of the VP biz, was because they couldn't replicate IGT's "NEW" code that increased the casino's revenue, while still maintaining adherence to the gaming regulations.
Again, I heard this from an unreliable source, and I don't believe a shred of it. Maybe just a little.
CK
Auto Hold Progressive @ Fort McDowell
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Casino Knight
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Vman96
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Your source is full of it, imo. Bally's got out of the business because they didn't make "super times pay" and "Ultimate x". And without those two games, VP would be nearly dead.
Setting the progressive to auto hold does suck, especially if they were holding things as bad as aces with a 7. It takes a "special" person to do that.
Setting the progressive to auto hold does suck, especially if they were holding things as bad as aces with a 7. It takes a "special" person to do that.
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Casino Knight
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Your source is full of it, imo. Bally's got out of the business because they didn't make "super times pay" and "Ultimate x". And without those two games, VP would be nearly dead.
Setting the progressive to auto hold does suck, especially if they were holding things as bad as aces with a 7. It takes a "special" person to do that.
Aren't those games you mentioned proprietary games of IGT?
Of the 5 local casinos I frequent those two games are not setting the world on fire play wise. Could be the horrendous pay tables, but even when the joints are busy, those games sit idle while other VP games are packed. Why do you think that is?
I told you he was an unreliable source.
Setting the progressive to auto hold does suck, especially if they were holding things as bad as aces with a 7. It takes a "special" person to do that.
Aren't those games you mentioned proprietary games of IGT?
Of the 5 local casinos I frequent those two games are not setting the world on fire play wise. Could be the horrendous pay tables, but even when the joints are busy, those games sit idle while other VP games are packed. Why do you think that is?
I told you he was an unreliable source.
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DaBurglar
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nice post, first of all.....definitely a lot to be talked about here.My first question, how exactly did IGT's "NEW CODE" translate into more revnue for the casinos???? Aside from making the game(s) faster, what's going on here/??When you say Ballys is out of the VP business, you mean they have not put out any "new" concept in the videopoker genre in a long time right? I mean, they still have a lot of "Ballys" game machines out there, which still need spare parts and to be serviced and all that, right??I think the concept of "new" video Poker based games is played out.....we are seeing some pretty desperate gimmicks showing up, the latest being "Rack em Up", the POOL variant!!! ugh, that's a horrible game, which has nothing to do with video poker and "strategy" beyond what already exists.
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BillyJoe
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[QUOTE=Vman96] Your source is full of it, imo. Bally's got out of the business because they didn't make "super times pay" and "Ultimate x". And without those two games, VP would be nearly dead.
Aren't those games you mentioned proprietary games of IGT?
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IGT and Action Gaming (aka VideoPoker.com) are strongly connected with the patents for those games.
LAS VEGAS, Feb. 25, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Gaming entertainment leader IGT (NYSE: IGT), today confirmed its continued commitment to innovation and industry leadership in video poker. The Company has reached an exclusive agreement with long-time partner Action Gaming to extend collaboration on development of multi-hand video poker games for land-based and online play. As part of the agreement, IGT has purchased patents from Action Gaming which are currently utilized in industry-leading IGT games such as All-Star Poker®, Ultimate X Poker® and Hyper Bonus Poker®. These patents are also being utilized in the creation of exciting new video poker themes.
Aren't those games you mentioned proprietary games of IGT?
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IGT and Action Gaming (aka VideoPoker.com) are strongly connected with the patents for those games.
LAS VEGAS, Feb. 25, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- Gaming entertainment leader IGT (NYSE: IGT), today confirmed its continued commitment to innovation and industry leadership in video poker. The Company has reached an exclusive agreement with long-time partner Action Gaming to extend collaboration on development of multi-hand video poker games for land-based and online play. As part of the agreement, IGT has purchased patents from Action Gaming which are currently utilized in industry-leading IGT games such as All-Star Poker®, Ultimate X Poker® and Hyper Bonus Poker®. These patents are also being utilized in the creation of exciting new video poker themes.
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Vman96
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[QUOTE=Vman96] Your source is full of it, imo. Bally's got out of the business because they didn't make "super times pay" and "Ultimate x". And without those two games, VP would be nearly dead.
Setting the progressive to auto hold does suck, especially if they were holding things as bad as aces with a 7. It takes a "special" person to do that.
Aren't those games you mentioned proprietary games of IGT?
Of the 5 local casinos I frequent those two games are not setting the world on fire play wise. Could be the horrendous pay tables, but even when the joints are busy, those games sit idle while other VP games are packed. Why do you think that is?
I told you he was an unreliable source. [/QUOTE]
It could be a bit of a regional thing. STP and Ultimate X is popular in the Midwest, especially St. Louis. Tunica and Vegas not as much.
Setting the progressive to auto hold does suck, especially if they were holding things as bad as aces with a 7. It takes a "special" person to do that.
Aren't those games you mentioned proprietary games of IGT?
Of the 5 local casinos I frequent those two games are not setting the world on fire play wise. Could be the horrendous pay tables, but even when the joints are busy, those games sit idle while other VP games are packed. Why do you think that is?
I told you he was an unreliable source. [/QUOTE]
It could be a bit of a regional thing. STP and Ultimate X is popular in the Midwest, especially St. Louis. Tunica and Vegas not as much.
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Casino Knight
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Again, Ballys' couldn't compete. Whether or not it has anything to do with the IGT RNG or not, they gave up.
Billyjoe though is spot on about Action Gaming and IGT. When you throw Leading Edge into the pot, IGT has everything sewed up.
Still curious though how this alone could account for the casinos being able to generate a greater hold percentage with IGT than with Ballys.
Billyjoe though is spot on about Action Gaming and IGT. When you throw Leading Edge into the pot, IGT has everything sewed up.
Still curious though how this alone could account for the casinos being able to generate a greater hold percentage with IGT than with Ballys.
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Vman96
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The only "legal" way would be to offer poorer paytables. STP/Ultimate X often are like this. And also most people play ultimate X dreadfully wrong which ups the hold more.
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damule
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Other changes made this past year and a half is the removal of all the Game Maker VP machines. These offered DB, DDB, TDB, $1,$2,$5, in 9/6 payouts. Gone to are the IGT $1,10/6 DDB, and $.25, 9/6 DDB. Replaced by 8/5 and 6/5 offerings. I really liked those Game Maker machines. I could probably give you a hundred thousand reasons why.
Hey CK,
I did not know that about The Fort. Last time we were there was early summer and the good stuff was still there. That pretty much eliminates the reason to go there anymore. I also notice Harrahs Ak-chin lowered the pay tables on the Supertimes Pay machines there too. Maybe they're trying to increase revenue until the new casino in Glendale opens and then they'll improve the pay tables to try and draw players, I don't know. Kind of making it hard to play locally anymore. Laughlin still has full pay machines and it only takes a little more than twice the time to get there as it does to Ak-chin for me.
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Casino Knight
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Hey Mule,
I'm on board about Laughlin as well, and I'm sick to death about what's happened locally. Cruise ship paytables and $20 a point on VP just doesn't cut it for me.
If the Tohono O'odham Nation makes any kind of effort to provide a decent gamble, it will be a blood bath for the other valley casinos.
Based on conversations with my hosts at Gila River, Casino Arizona, Harrah's, and the Fort, they are still in denial of it even happening. Even after the groundbreaking, they are still running ads to fight it. Hoping against hope that John McCain and Jeff Flake will pull a rabbit out of their hats and save them at the last minute. My money is still on T.O.
To that end, I contacted the Players Club at T.O. and learned that:
Soil testing is underway in Glendale; 1st step before construction.
It only takes $5. for 1 point on VP, $10 for 4pts on Slots. Compared to Gila River where it now takes $20 for 1 pt on VP. $10. for 1 pt on slots. 1000 pts = $20. Free Play or Comp dollars, at either place. I think Harrah's is the same.
4X better at T.O. casinos. While I play for the money, 4X the points would be a heck of an incentive compared to the other casinos.
You can check out their Rewards page here: http://www.ddcaz.com/index.php/players/ ... sTierCards
CK
I'm on board about Laughlin as well, and I'm sick to death about what's happened locally. Cruise ship paytables and $20 a point on VP just doesn't cut it for me.
If the Tohono O'odham Nation makes any kind of effort to provide a decent gamble, it will be a blood bath for the other valley casinos.
Based on conversations with my hosts at Gila River, Casino Arizona, Harrah's, and the Fort, they are still in denial of it even happening. Even after the groundbreaking, they are still running ads to fight it. Hoping against hope that John McCain and Jeff Flake will pull a rabbit out of their hats and save them at the last minute. My money is still on T.O.
To that end, I contacted the Players Club at T.O. and learned that:
Soil testing is underway in Glendale; 1st step before construction.
It only takes $5. for 1 point on VP, $10 for 4pts on Slots. Compared to Gila River where it now takes $20 for 1 pt on VP. $10. for 1 pt on slots. 1000 pts = $20. Free Play or Comp dollars, at either place. I think Harrah's is the same.
4X better at T.O. casinos. While I play for the money, 4X the points would be a heck of an incentive compared to the other casinos.
You can check out their Rewards page here: http://www.ddcaz.com/index.php/players/ ... sTierCards
CK
