2014 Reveiw & why I changed to the one coin system

[alpax]

[QUOTE]It seems to me you one coin people are just trying not to lose as much rather than trying to win.

I also understand most have to play less than full pay machines and as such except that you will lose but are trying to limit the amount by playing less coin.

Have fun but don't expect any long term profits on one coin even if the machine were full pay. It won't happen

Most areas outside of Vegas have less than stellar pay tables for denominations less than the dollar. The vast majority of the quarter video poker games in my area are about mid 97% payouts, such has 9-5 DDB, 8-5 Bonus Deluxe, 20-12-10 Deuces Wild. It is nearly impossible to be a long term winner in the long run with a house edge for quarter players. More than 95% of the people I see play are recreational, they do not make the optimal holds, always play DDB, and play quarter denomination to reduce their bet amount.

I totally agree with the fact that if you have access to Full Pay games such as 9-6 JoB, the single coin would hurt more than the max bet. The dollar denomiation is the minimum in my area to play 99% games, while my bankroll is not meeting the requirements of 3-4 times the Royal Flush. I play small sessions throughout each 6 months so I can squeeze as much weekly free play to my bankroll as possible. I also agree than one coin does not increase the chance of a premium hand appearing if the same number of hands are played as max coin bet, but with a higher volume of play, it will have more chances appearing.

Some people (FlaPhil, wild, olds) have the need to play long sessions of many hands, thus I do not judge players playing the system. The benefit of the one coin system allows for high volume of play with losing less.

For playing higher stakes, you have to value what the casino offers since most of the loss mitigation comes from it. Phil probably does not need free rooms from the local casino.
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[ko king]

My wife has played single coin for 14 years now and I play max coin. She has hit no more royals or 4 of a kind than I have.

What you guys are trying to say is machines are "fixed...or set" to pay one coin bettors better hands than max coin bettors. This is nonsense and just not true.

The cards are RANDOM....not set by how much a person bets.

It seems to me you one coin people are just trying not to lose as much rather than trying to win.

I also understand most have to play less than full pay machines and as such except that you will lose but are trying to limit the amount by playing less coin.

If you were on a full pay machine would you still play one coin? If you did you would be a looser over time. Just look at the math and see what percent you are giving up on the royal...and no way you hit more royals on one coin than on max. They hit frequency would be the same. This is over time and of course anything can happen in the short term. But if you play enough you will play to the machines payback.

No offense to you Phil and if you are doing good and are happy that is great. I am not slamming your system but many people are twisting the payouts saying things like premium hand come up more on one coin than max. If this were true the machines would be cheating. If that were the case you should not play at all.

Have fun but don't expect any long term profits on one coin even if the machine were full pay. It won't happen

Not meaning to be a jerk or anything but what exactly is a man made random event. A while back Billy Joe made a post describing the newer RNG's as more random or truer which would imply that the old RNG's weren't really random, are there levels of randomness?

[FloridaPhil]

[quote]The benefit of the one coin system allows for high volume of play with losing less.[/quote]The vast majority of recreational video poker players play negative expectation games on a limited budget. They also want to continue to play the game no matter what. Put both of these together and you have a player that busts often or continually hits the ATM.  Lose enough long enough and you starting hating yourself, the game and everyone around you.  Eventually you get to the point where you start meeting with divorce and/or bankruptcy attorneys.  Video Poker is just a game, not an occupation for most of us. News flash...  It's rigged in the casino's favor, It says so right on the front of the machine!   Be honest with yourself, tally up how much it's costing you to play and how much you get out of it.  If you're happy with the answer, by all means keeping doing what your doing.  If you're not, stop trying to be Bob Dancer and get a handle on your loses.  Sorry if this comes across harsh, but I've lived it.

[onemoretry]

Phil I have to ask you, are you seeing more royals at the minimum bet?As of yesterday I hit my 6th royal in the last 60 days playing the system. Five on minimum bet one on max bet. Now its way to soon to say there is something going on in the programing. I will say if this keeps up all of 2015 where I play, we know the program is stacked at the low bet,
Since the system has you playing a lot more hands at one coin than at full coin, wouldn't it be normal, then, to have more royals at one coin?

[FloridaPhil]

Yes.  The problem is Royals are a very rare occurrence, so it's hard to tell the difference between increased frequency or just plain dumb luck.  The frequency of quad deuces is much easier to gauge.  For example, when I was playing max coins I rarely played more than 2 hours, now I can play all day.  My contention is that the increased number of hands played tilts the balance and allows for more max coin jackpots in the long run.   I realize this is hard to visualize, but remember you are playing 3-4 times as many hands with the same bankroll. Even if the difference is neutral, playing single coin with 80% of my hands keeps me from busting or going on tilt and doing something that I regret later.  It was a real challenge for me to learn to be happy with the Cheap Strategy, but I'm at peace with it now and am enjoying the game more than ever. The fact that I am winning money is a bonus as far as I am concerned.

[olds442jetaway]

Here are the results of the Sunday overnight session and play on AM Monday. As expected, another good day for the casino, though I kept my play lower than usual. This is just one sample, but very representative of what I've been experiencing for 5 or 6 years now. Also, not that is matters, I have now hit 600k hands without a Royal. My only way around this is to change casinos, stop playing, or just play 1 coin and not worry about the Royal. For me, option 3 for now, suits me the best. The results below are approximations, but very close to actual.

     3,000 hands 9/6 job at 1 coin....132%..return. 7 quads 3 of which were Aces 1 was deuces. Lots of full houses.

     3,000 hands at 5 coin quarters 9/6 job...88% return...2 quads...

     Only 40 hands at 25 coin which is their max bet on most machines. All on 9/6 job....20%...return. Almost all were dud hands.....

     That about sums it up and the results. The casino netted about 400 bucks from me.

      DB....I most likely will be up there on the 19th. Probably mostly AM though. Will know more as it gets a little closer. Hope to be able to meet though.

     

     

[wildman49]

Here are the results of the Sunday overnight session and play on AM Monday. As expected, another good day for the casino, though I kept my play lower than usual. This is just one sample, but very representative of what I've been experiencing for 5 or 6 years now. Also, not that is matters, I have now hit 600k hands without a Royal. My only way around this is to change casinos, stop playing, or just play 1 coin and not worry about the Royal. For me, option 3 for now, suits me the best. The results below are approximations, but very close to actual.

     3,000 hands 9/6 job at 1 coin....132%..return. 7 quads 3 of which were Aces 1 was deuces. Lots of full houses.

     3,000 hands at 5 coin quarters 9/6 job...88% return...2 quads...

     Only 40 hands at 25 coin which is their max bet on most machines. All on 9/6 job....20%...return. Almost all were dud hands.....


     

     Now that report is an eye opener. All we can do is show what we see where we play. Since many of us are far from the Vegas poker machines we have to play what's in front of us. Many times when I sit down and play DW after not seeing a deuce for 10 hands I have to look to make sure I am on the right game! My wife says the same thing. If a system works for us then we have to follow it since what we been doing in the past has not paying off well.

[alpax]

[QUOTE=wildman49]
Phil I have to ask you, are you seeing more royals at the minimum bet?As of yesterday I hit my 6th royal in the last 60 days playing the system. Five on minimum bet one on max bet. Now its way to soon to say there is something going on in the programing. I will say if this keeps up all of 2015 where I play, we know the program is stacked at the low bet,
Since the system has you playing a lot more hands at one coin than at full coin, wouldn't it be normal, then, to have more royals at one coin?[/QUOTE]

You bet max about 16-20% of the time while playing the system so the numbers seem right if you got 6 royals and 5 of them were single coin bet.

[onemoretry]

You bet max about 16-20% of the time while playing the system so the numbers seem right if you got 6 royals and 5 of them were single coin bet.
My thought exactly! But the poster, wildman49, indicated he (or she) felt this result supports the theory that machines pay better at less than full coin.

[olds442jetaway]

[QUOTE=alpax]
You bet max about 16-20% of the time while playing the system so the numbers seem right if you got 6 royals and 5 of them were single coin bet.
My thought exactly! But the poster, wildman49, indicated he (or she) felt this result supports the theory that machines pay better at less than full coin.[/QUOTE]

     I agree with you guys on this. I would be thrilled to hit royals like that and the percentage you cited looks right. One day, I hope that royal storm cloud over me like in the cartoons will more off. Just hope it doesn't settle right over someone else. If just 1 coin play continues to be ok for me after several more trips, I may advance to 1 dollar one coin play. Results may change. Time and hopefully not too much money will tell.