2014 Reveiw & why I changed to the one coin system

[alpax]

Not sure if the "optimal" strategy for single coin JoB is played where the Royal Flush frequency averages out to 1 in 51000.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-pok ... -50-d-250/

Single Credit 9/6 JoB Quarters

.983735 = 1.6265% loss at $0.25 bet * 600 hands/hr = $2.44 an hour

Max Credit 9/6 JoB Quarters

.995439 = 0.4562% loss at $1.25 bet * 600 hands/hr = $3.42 an hour

The single coin does not earn more, it saves about a $1 an hour per quarter denomination wager but the coin is 5x less so lesser comps will be provided.

[FloridaPhil]

The real reason single coin play pays better is because of the increased number of hands played with the same bankroll.  Suppose you go to the casino with $200. If you play max coin quarters and don't hit a quad deuce, you can easily bust in two hours.  If you play 600 hands an hour, that's only 1,200 hands played.  A quad deuce happens on average every 5,000 hands.  Those numbers tell you that you will only average a quad deuce in one out of four trips.  If you play 80% of your hands at single coin and 20% at max coin, you will be able to play about 3-4 times as many hands with the same money.  This means you will average about one quad deuce per day.   You also have a 20% chance of your quad deuce being at max coins.  You can do the same math with Royals.   The biggest advantage the casinos have is not the odds or rigging the machines, it's busting the player. Pros don't see this because they have unlimited bankrolls.  Busting is the main cause of "Empty Pocket Syndrome".   If you're not playing when the good hands come up, you lose again...   

[wildman49]

Not sure if the "optimal" strategy for single coin JoB is played where the Royal Flush frequency averages out to 1 in 51000.

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-pok ... -50-d-250/

Single Credit 9/6 JoB Quarters

.983735 = 1.6265% loss at $0.25 bet * 600 hands/hr = $2.44 an hour

Max Credit 9/6 JoB Quarters

.995439 = 0.4562% loss at $1.25 bet * 600 hands/hr = $3.42 an hour

The single coin does not earn more, it saves about a $1 an hour per quarter denomination wager but the coin is 5x less so lesser comps will be provided.Your going straight 1 coin vs. max coin in this loss per hour. In the system you hit small pots and gain back them losses when hitting max 20% of hands, there for the 1 coin to max coin strategy can't be put into simple math. Just people putting it to the test and giving a report on the findings works best.

[wildman49]

[QUOTE=alpax]
You bet max about 16-20% of the time while playing the system so the numbers seem right if you got 6 royals and 5 of them were single coin bet.
My thought exactly! But the poster, wildman49, indicated he (or she) felt this result supports the theory that machines pay better at less than full coin.[/QUOTE]I get that royals hit more at the 1 coin since we play 80% of hands there I am talking 6 natural royal flushes in only 8 weeks of play. I don't care how many coins are played, is anyone else seeing that many royals one every 10 days at the casino on single hand play? OLDS can't hit one so save his soul. That's why I asked Phil if he has seen an increase in royals playing the system. Maybe it is just blind luck for me, time will tell. It took me 8 months at or near max bet (some where on 20 coin machines playing 5, 10 coins) to hit 7 royals then go with the 1 coin system and hit 6 royals in 60 days in about 80,000 to 100,000 hands seems a lot of blind luck even if all but one was at the 1 coin bet. 

[FloridaPhil]

Aside from the fact that I am able to play more hands, I don't think I've hit more royals than I'm entitled to playing the Cheap Strategy.  Royals are total luck, so individual results are all over the board.  The most royals I have had in one day was four.  They also seem to come in pairs.  I'll hit one and another one will pop up on the next trip, then I might not see one for six months.  Hitting a single coin royal doesn't bother me anymore.  The more I hit, the higher the percentage I will hit one at max coins that I can keep.   Chasing royals on a negative expectation machine is a money loser.  This is the reason the casino offers the royal bonus in the first place.Playing this way is a mind set.   I consider royals to be part of the process and not something special.   I realize that hitting a royal flush is a tremendous thrill to someone who has never hit one and I don't recommend the Cheap Strategy if that's where you are.  The Cheap Strategy is for avid frequent players who care about their total cost to play.   If you don't care how much money it costs you and just want to experience rare jackpots, then play as perfect as you can and go for it.   There is nothing wrong or better about either strategy.  It's your money and you decide how you want to play. 

[julesw92]

That's just crazy play slots if your afraid to play maximum.

[onemoretry]

I get that royals hit more at the 1 coin since we play 80% of hands there I am talking 6 natural royal flushes in only 8 weeks of play. I don't care how many coins are played, is anyone else seeing that many royals one every 10 days at the casino on single hand play? OLDS can't hit one so save his soul. That's why I asked Phil if he has seen an increase in royals playing the system. Maybe it is just blind luck for me, time will tell. It took me 8 months at or near max bet (some where on 20 coin machines playing 5, 10 coins) to hit 7 royals then go with the 1 coin system and hit 6 royals in 60 days in about 80,000 to 100,000 hands seems a lot of blind luck even if all but one was at the 1 coin bet. 

My apologies. I misinterpreted the remarks in your earlier post as being directed at the number of one coin versus full coin royals, not the number of royals versus total hands played.

In my defence, there was no information in that earlier post about the number of hands involved. Six royals in 80,000 to 100,000 hands is certainly a good run, and I hope it continues for you.

Around this time a year ago, I, too, had a good run on a fourteen day Las Vegas trip, with 5 royals in 100,000 or so hands. Alas, it fizzled out after that.

[olds442jetaway]

That's just crazy play slots if your afraid to play maximum.

     I think Phil's results speak for themselves. I definitely think there is something to the theory that more premium hands hit at single coin. My experience is based on millions of hands. In fact, just got back from another Mohegan overnight trip. Not too many hours played this time, but all played on single coin. Results are below. All hands were played on job since I am in a real deuces quad lull right now.

      4,000 hands played all single coin quarters 9/6 job. 14 quads. Again the aces dominated with 3 of them and two were deuces. Doesn't help much on this game, but they just aren't hitting for me on Deuces wild. Anyway, the highlight of the trip was breaking another horrible 600k hand plus streak without a Royal. I threw away a dud hand and the redraw gave me all of the clubs for a Royal. Only $ 62.50, but for me better than chasing it like last year where it cost me over 50 grand. I had one streak of 500k plus hands last year without one and then this one of just over 600k. Came home with gas money anyway. For some reason, the 2 pairs and 3 of a kinds hit light this trip.
    As to your comment about just play slots, if you want to give up a 97% or better return for an 85%-88% return then sure play slots. That is not for me or Phil since part of the experience is the poker game itself and not mindless banging away like a zombie. Maybe that is why they put in those Walking Dead machines.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote]That's just crazy play slots if your afraid to play maximum.[/quote] Huh?  In my opinion what's crazy is continually throwing money away playing max coins on a game that you will never beat just so you can hit a royal flush.A side note; I do not recommend using the Cheap Strategy to play Jacks or Better.  The only big jackpot in Jacks is the royal and it doesn't happen with enough frequency to make it worthwhile.  Deuces Wild is another matter.  A max coin $1 quad deuce pays the same as a max coin quarter royal and is much more common.   My bankroll has grown this year primarily because I've hit more max coin quad deuces, not royals.

[olds442jetaway]

I guess I should change the name of my one coin and call it single coin job play to keep confusion from the Phil method. I know yours works best on Deuces. For now, I am just playing single coin on job period. As long as I continue to see patterns with strictly single coin play paying over 100 percent, I am going to stick with it. The only change I may make after a few more successful trips is to try it on dollars. At least it broke the 600k Royalless streak anyway. It continues to amaze me how many quads keep popping out on single coin job on Aces quads and 2s, 3,s and 4s. If this pattern continues throughout 2015, then I will know for sure how the casino can show the correct number of premium hands awarded and cost them much less money.