SOOPER DOOPER.....Bowl time!

[DaBurglar]

Whoa, where did the refrences to "Ferguson", followed by a retort referencing the "KLAN" come from????    What did I miss here????   Galeygoo, I take it you are NOT a football fan, or maybe you are but happen to despise BOTH my Patriots and The seahawks???     What exactly did you mean by your reference to Ferguson Missouri in relation to Seattle???    I am honestly asking because I do not have an inkling of what you meant (and I am afraid to guess!  lol)     As for EDOG inferring that Galeygoo belongs to the Klan, I'd be reluctant to make that type of accusation even if I knew it was probably true.....I've actually met a couple "Klansmen" many years back when i found myself on a business trip to a Vendor's factory in the "deep south", and I can tell you first hand, as despicable as I find racism and organizations dedicated to racist BULLSH***T, I can say that the "KLAN" does have some TRUE believers in its ranks who WILL NOT be afraid to cross all kinds of lines and perpetrate all manner of mayhem, mischief and violence.....that is to say while I am NOT afraid of cowards, I do harbor some fear of people who are downright "NUTS" by virtue of their belief in ideals that advocate violence and treating certain people in a INHUMAN manner (i.e. RACISM).....I just wanted this thread to be FUN and lively and a good discussion leading up to the BIG GAME (which has become a type of AMERICAN HOLIDAY in all reality).....

  DaBurglar the New England Patriots were fined because they were cheating. As for a prediction on the outcome of the game I won't make one because I don't care who wins or loses.  this is ridiculous....you've already invested SO much time (and words and posts) expressing just how much you cannot stand New England, although I would bet money that, before I made this thread and started talking about how much I LOVE the Patriots, you probably never gave the Patriots a SECOND thought;   But once I come out talking about how great New England is, you suddenly become the president of the New England PAtriots ANTI-FAN, HAters club.   Are you really that incapable of making a simple prediction, like so many others here have done (and will do leading up to tomorrow's game?)   I mean seriously, even if you TRULY do not care who wins or loses, as a football fan you must have some inkling as to what you believe the final result will be?    Or is it simply a case where you are THAT afraid of being wrong, that IF you come out and make a prediction that my Patriots WILL lose (notice I do not say Seattle WINS because that is not what you want, you just want my team to lose), and it turns out that New England wins, you dread what I might say or do the next day???   Well, in the words of Aaron Rodgers Ted, relax.....I've already given you an OUT....I am on record as saying Seattle probably will win, and I have stated the margin of victory will be around a field goal (something like Seattle winning 24-21 or thereabouts.....)    So if MY team actually does win (which would make me happy), you can at the very least milk a couple posts out of it by saying what a LOUSY football prediction ability da Burglar has, or something like that.....It just does not make sense that YOU all of a sudden "dont care" after making all the posts you already have criticizing and condemning New England.    C'mon Ted, be a (FUN) part of the Forum community, just this once!   Join in with us.....

[MPD001]

I just saw where the NFL has cancelled tomorrow's game. Tom Brady's balls are flat (the media is blaming Gisele this time), and Marshawn Lynch can't find any shoes that he likes.

The NFL arranged for Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll to play a game on Madden NFL set up on a card table in Sun Devil Stadium. NBC will broadcast that game in order that it will be able to still air all the Super Bowl commercials that it already collected the money on. They will throw a sheet over them at halftime for Katy Perry to perform.

In a related story, ESPN is reporting that Belichick greased the game controller of Carroll. Whether this has any effect on the game's result remains to be seen.

If you have enough to drink before kick-off, you may not notice a difference. Tune in...   

[Galeygoo]

Now I can't help but wonder who really are racists here, certainly not me. All I attempted to imply was that team seems to be always in a a state of riot. And from what I saw on film, ALL races were involved. Geesh

[MPD001]

[Casino Knight]

Wow I can see you are looking forward to the game Galeygoo. I just hope it does not interfere with your regular sunday evening klan meeting

Edog,

You think all (white) folks who aren't PC are racists?
Why don't you just call Galeygoo a racist, if that's what you think. Why beat around the bush with your off-handed race baiting? Al Sharpton couldn't be prouder.

Does the term "Freedmen" ring any bells?

Who were the first people in America to own slaves? Here's a hint: It wasn't "Whitey".

Do you remember the TV series Roots?

In an early scene there was a slave auction. Do you recall seeing some Indians in attendance? They weren't there just to pass the time.

They were BUYERS!

CK

BTW I could have written Native American instead of Indian, but didn't want to miss my meeting. :(

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar you really are a paradox. I NEVER said I cannot stand New England but, you cannot accept that I call them cheaters. It has been proven that they cheat, simple as that.   I gave up caring about ALL professional sports several years ago but I am happy when the Blackhawks win the NHL championship. If they lose - my life will go on.   I am tired of the former NFL players who suddenly decide to sue because of head injuries. They got paid an onscene amount of money over the course of their careers and the obvious risk of physical harm was there and they still chose to take the money and run. For the record I am friends with several former players. This head injury claim has now dribbled down to the college level and soon we'll be seeing it go even lower to the high school and pee-wee leagues as well.   I'm tired of reading stories about the former NBA players who, after collecting over 120 million dollars in their playing career, file bankruptcy. How can this happen in a normal world?   I'm tired of hearing about the list of former MLB players and the debate as to whether they belong in the hall of fame or not even though they used PED's. I'm tired of hearing about Sammy Sosa and his: corked bat, PED use, ever changing skin color, and his other crap. I'm tired of hearing about Alex Rodriguez and how the Yankees are now trying to angle as to how NOT to pay him the rest of salary.    I'm tired of hearing about the players who have committed: murder; spousal abuse; animal abuse; DUI; and all the other crimes that they thought they could get away with just because of their fame.   The Kardashians and all of their crap have NOTHING on professional athletes.   Some of these professional athletes should take a hard look at the way someone like Ernie Banks lived their life and see if the way they live their live compares in even the most minimal way.   I'm not bitter or jealous of these players; I'm just tired of the way that these players are put on pedestals that interfere with the normal flight path of a 747.   If Seattle wins tomorrow I'll still be going to work on Monday morning as usual. If New England wins tomorrow I'll still be going to work on Monday as usual. I'll still have the same bills to pay and obligations to make. So ultimately it won't affect me at all who wins or loses tomorrow. I've actually spent more time on this post as: "all the time I've invested here" as you say. Who cares... 

[edog743]

Whom exactly did the natives enslave CK? Are you saying they jumped in their canoes and rowed all the way to Africa to get slaves? I believe you need a refresher course on history. As far as calling Galeygoo a racist that was pretty much a given with the fergurson remark.

[Casino Knight]

Whom exactly did the natives enslave CK? Are you saying they jumped in their canoes and rowed all the way to Africa to get slaves? I believe you need a refresher course on history. As far as calling Galeygoo a racist that was pretty much a given with the fergurson remark.

The obvious answer is each other.

As usual you and the Rev will take any opportunity to turn any conversation to racism where none exist. Case in point being Galeygoo's post, as others have pointed out.

While I don't need a history lesson on this topic, might I suggest you brush up on your spelling. sic (fergurson).

As for the canoe comment, I'll hold my tongue.

CK

[DaBurglar]

Tedlark.....you may not believe this (and clearly, if your post is to be believed you probably will not care about what I am going to say either), but I actually AGREED with the vast majority of what you just griped about in your last post.......I am having a hard time saying this because up until this last post of yours I was totally in opposition to everything you were writing here.......I am not 100% clear on exactly how you jumped so far, so fast in terms of the TOPIC going from only the Patriots to now encompassing ALL of professional sports, and everything you see as being wrong and corrupt and skewed in professional sports.....but I agree with almost all of what you wrote about the problems and skewed values that exist in Baseball, football, basketball, etc.     TODAY's athletes are overpaid, spoiled and pampered......while I allow for individual exceptions to exist and I try not to judge unfairly every INDIVIDUAL professional athlete (i.e.  there are many who TRY to live good lives and who give lots of money to charity, etc) based on the perception of the group as a whole, there is too much corruption, and too much money being thrown around in all professional sports in the USA today.......I totally agree that Alex Rodriguez is a awful person, and I agree with the absurdity of players in the NBA (and elsewhere) who make 100s of millions of dollars going broke in a few years time.....and I agree that Ernie Banks (R.I.P.) was a stand up guy who deserves respect.I am just dumbfounded that you all of a sudden went from a seemingly petty issue/topic, that of whether the Patriots are a Dynasty and debating just how much or to what extent they "cheat", to ranting about a far more serious and far reaching topic (the cultural impact of the sports & entertainment "obsession" and greed in this country and our modern society.....)   I'd love to have a serious discussion on this involving all of the forum......Look, we will obviously NOT agree that the New England PAtriots are one of the great teams in the NFL, both past and present;  And whether or not you actually dislike them or are merely pointing out that they were punished for "Rules violation" back in 2007 and that this now makes them "CHEATERS" now and forever, well frankly this really does not matter either in the grand scheme of things......I have stated my view points, and you have stated yours, and as you pointed out, it has ZERO impact on either of our lives.So let me respectfully DISAGREE with one of the very interesting points you made in this new, most recent and most meaningful post ...... the part where you specifically said that you are tired of NFL players griping about head trauma, and how they all were  "Well informed and knew exactly what they were getting into" before playing the game, and that they have all been paid "OBSCENE amounts of money".....I must disagree with this specific area of your otherwise spot on argument.It is only recently (the last 10-15 years) that, with modern science and medicine and with our increased technological capabilities (CAT SCANS, MRI, PET SCANS etc) that comprehension of head injuries and trauma (of all types and causes) has advanced considerably......and only in the VERY recent past has the NFL started to mandate protection to its players so that, when a concussion or even a simple head collision happens in a game, the player is FORCED to be taken out and examined and observed before ever being allowed back in.....in years past, this was not done at all, and players who were told by the doctors of the era that it was "OK to play" after sustaining multiple concussions were, in many cases, doing EXTREME damage to themselves without fully understanding or knowing the full,  LONG TERM consequences.....and whether you agree with it or not, in the USA, liability laws are in place (and have been) to provide protection for individuals against larger, more powerful organizations who might otherwise sweep issues like this under the rug and never be held accountable or required to address and take care of people who deserve to be taken care of....The fact is this:  the so-called  "obscene amount of money" you speak of is not accurate....in the NFL, only in the last 15-20 years have NFL players like offensive and defensive linemen and linebackers actually had the chance to make what MIGHT be called "big money", but still no where near what Quarterbacks or wide receivers might make.....and it is primarily these types of players (linemen and defensive players whose job it is to HIT & HIT & HIT) who are suffering long term effects of head trauma.....  and it is irrefutable that prior to 1995, almost NO linemen or similar NFL players made "obscene amounts of money" (even dick butkus, the best linebacker ever who played in the 1960s and early 70s, made SQUAT compared to TODAY's players)...and what is worse, until VERY recently, almost ALL former NFL players had NO insurance coverage via the players association that was extensive enough to cover or adequately treat the TRAUMA they so clearly suffered while playing.I agree that our society puts athletes on way too high a stature and gives them way too much credit and money, but that is NOT their fault or doing, and if a PERSON (any person, regardless of profession or occupation) is injured doing their job, then they deserve at least the basic bare minimum of state of the art medical care, paid for and/or provided by their former employer (in this case the NFL and THE players Union/association)

[DaBurglar]

Regarding SLAVERy and its origins, practice and history in the USA/North america....SLAVERY has been around since BIBLICAL times (as early as 2500 B.C.  in Egypt and mesopotamia, the 'concept' of one person owning another existed.....this was both economic in origin and MILITARY......a person might be enslaved due to a monetary DEBT, or because he/she belonged to a CONQUERED race or people and was now, accordingly  ENSLAVED (usually it was a choice, either be a slave or be DEAD!)Throughout history, during the many empires that came and went (Greek, Roman, Ottoman, along with MANY european monarchies, etc.)   up until 1865 in the USA, systemic and systematic slavery was a big part of many economies and societies......please note, in almost all cases, the MOTIVE behind slavery was NOT a racial bias or holy ideal, it was all about MONEY (or economics), with a possible societal element BEHIND the economic one.......the Civil War fought in the USA from 1861 thru 1865 that ended slavery was primarily a economic issue from the SOUTHERN (confederate) perspective, and a SOCIETAL (or moral) issue from the Northern perspective.It was only AFTER the civil war, when all these african americans were now free and were taking up the jobs, and farm land that previously had been reserved for FREE predominantly white men only, that many white people in the usa began to be truly RACIST and hateful of blacks and adopted much of what is now known as the most hateful and hurtful aspects of RACISM .But here is the most inconvenient (and controversial) FACT of the history of Slavery and Race in the American landscape:   a LARGE number (perhaps 65-70%) of the AFRICAN slaves brought to North America from 1675 thru 1830  were SOLD to the European (British, French, Dutch and other nationalities) slave traders BY their actual tribes and the leaders within those tribes (many of whom OWNED slaves from other enemy tribes!!!)    I do not know why this never gets discussed, probably because people who are on the side of minorities in this country cannot maintain their race-baiting form of hatred against the real bonafide RACISTS who spew their own form of racial hatred if this INCONVENIENT truth were made known!?!?!ALL I KNOW IS this:  "HATRED" and violence are not monopolized by any one group or point of view......The Reverend AL Sharptons of this world are opposed by the right wing republican conservative elements who insist that NO ONE NEEDS any help and that everyone gets exactly what he/she deserves in our "FREE MARKET ECONOMY", etc......but neither Reverend Al nor the modern day republicans like Ted Cruz and Michelle bachmann and Senator McConnel are advocating or perpetrating VIOLENCE!It is the mindless demonstrators and rioters in Ferguson, the primarily BLACK youngsters and aimless, shiftless troublemakers and petty criminals in those MOBS in Ferguson, who are committing violence (and what is worse, if you asked any of those idiots throwing rocks and bottles just what exactly they were doing and WHY, most would NOT even talk about any serious or legit issue relating to racism or civil rights, etc. )     And on the flip side, you do have LOTS of right wing hate groups out there who have NO PROBLEM getting together to start some type of Sh*t  (not just the KKK;  there are actually LOTS of racist organizations, more than you think and closer to you than you realize!)    But I also know this:  when people form into large groups for the purpose of demonstrating, and the dynamics of "the group" take over, quite often otherwise normal, quiet law abiding citizens can turn into violent, militant, extreme hate mongers....and as such, if you had a large enough group of "white people" get all "riled up", they are just as capable of perpetrating acts of violence and destruction in the name of "racial unity or some other BS"