"Cheating" in the NFL

[Casino Knight]

you have to wonder about someone who disputes that no one is dying in america from hunger, is proven wrong, but cannot admit it.  you gotta question when someone points out all the evil polution that went on in the past, but will acknowledge that a huge effort has been made to correct those wrongs.  and, why would someone feel the need to only point out the bad things about america, when that same country has been a shining light since it creation. no matter the errors that have been made, people are begging to come her, we give more to help others than any other nation on earth, we have saved europe/world not once but twice and countless acts that go on forever. we may not like it, but the world needs leadership and we are it. unfortunately, evil will always exist, we eliminate one and move on to the next.    

Well said, and worth saying twice.

CK

[DaBurglar]

you have to wonder about someone who disputes that no one is dying in america from hunger, is proven wrong, but cannot admit it.  you gotta question when someone points out all the evil polution that went on in the past, but will acknowledge that a huge effort has been made to correct those wrongs.  and, why would someone feel the need to only point out the bad things about america, when that same country has been a shining light since it creation. no matter the errors that have been made, people are begging to come her, we give more to help others than any other nation on earth, we have saved europe/world not once but twice and countless acts that go on forever. we may not like it, but the world needs leadership and we are it. unfortunately, evil will always exist, we eliminate one and move on to the next.   Notes1, I will start with you because of the three people in this thread attempting to distort and twist things to portray me in a totally inaccurate and false light, you are the more intelligent, logical and fact-oriented debater, even if you insist on saying that we are on totally opposite sides of whatever fence we are debating.....You did not PROVE anything at all about hunger in America......quite the opposite......and frankly, I never actually "PROVED" anything either on this topic, but I can repeat my OPINION and viewpoint and anyone reading this thread can compare ours, decide if they want to chime in or respond, and then the debate moves on......I AM NOT sure why all three of you (Ted, You and Casino Knight) have a problem with someone voicing their OPINION....America has millions of people living in Poverty....this is a fact.   Now someone, like yourself can argue that "poverty" as it is defined in America is better than living conditions in many other countries, but so what...?   It still does not address or disprove that there are people in America, millions of people, who do not get enough to eat.....I do not see how you can deny that unless you simply wish to ignore reality.    "Dying from hunger" actually takes quite a long time to happen (in other words, STARVATION does not happen immediately), but I AM NOT concerned with that as the issue you and I are debating here.......I am certain our difference here was simply over "WORDING: and semantics.       I will say to you that I agree that very few if any people in this country are "Starving" in the same manner as you might find in the SUDAN for instance, but instead they might be starving in the manner you would find in a war torn country (such as Libya or syria) where people can find sporadic things to eat but for the most part go hungry or only get a small amount to eat...... As for me "only" saying negative things about America, this is just an incorrect, false generalization and simplification of what I have said during our debates here.....My view of America was NEVER the topic at hand, we were always debating SPECIFIC issues.....seriously, it is not fair for you to say this about me, since it is NOT how I feel at all.     But again, you are entitled to your OPINION, and you expressed your OPINION that America is a "Shining beacon"....I do not agree that it is as wonderful or great as you do, but I do agree that it is the "BEST" the earth has to offer at the moment......You yourself admitted that we make "Errors", and this I agree with.....and I feel that we should TRY, TRY and keep trying to FIX these errrors, never making excuses or justifying wrong on our part simply because we are already "the best" that currently exists.....if we do not FIX what is wrong with US, then we will no longer remain "the best".....Now that is all I have to say to you.....no personal attacks, no mean spirited hostility towards you Notes1, I do not even know you and you do not know me......can we just leave it at that?

[DaBurglar]

There you go DaBurglar; trying to belittle me. Ummm, Ted, you posted the info about NPD, not me, and you unequivocally stated that "it sounds a lot like Daburglar".......perhaps you can enlighten the viewing public as to WHY it is "ok" for you to say or do things that belittle ME, but if someone defends themself by throwing your B.S. back at you, it is not "ok"????   hmmm?Once again, you practice Hypocrisy as if it is NATURAL, and even accepted, as "normal' behavior for people.....maybe for you it truly is, maybe you were raised by parents who constantly said or admonished to behave in a moral, correct way and then turned around and blatantly violated whatever rules they set....I do not know......but I do know that you constantly act/post in the most hypocritical manner I can ever remember seeing or reading on any forum, anywhere since the internet first became a part of our culture.....Let's just say that, ever since you took it upon yourself to make it your purpose on this forum to incessantly harass and bully and distort and hijack every post I make, hypocrisy has been all you have to offer......it is time you either stop or try some other tactic to make me go away.....And just so you are aware (clearly you are not), posting on the internet a definition of something like NArcissitic Personality Disorder and then stating a person embodies this definition runs pretty close to crossing a lot of different "lines", not the least of which is Defamation of character and Libel......but that is just for future reference, since obviously in this SPECIFIC instance, I responded to your Defamatory and Libelous statement by essentially stating that YOU too embody NPD, so that makes me almost as guilty, in this specific instance....(see Ted, this is what NON-hypocritical people do, acknowledge their own culpability in matters and also do not pretend that rules and standards apply ONLY to other people.)But in the future, if you do this again, then I will have to "defend myself, or enlist the help of others" (Borrowing from Casino Knight's mantra)....ok?

[DaBurglar]

Well Debungler, where you see trash, I see someone turning it into treasure. Dredging for plastic perhaps. Land based recyclers seem to be making a go of it. But as fragile as that ecosystem is, I'm more concerned about those Islamic Terrorists who want to rule the world and feed us "infidels" to the fishes.   

I don't need to Google Liberia, and Charles Taylor. I could list hundreds of these despots from dozens of countries from almost the beginning of time who are as bad as or worse than him.    

Face it, there is EVIL in the world, and it's growing stronger every day that the Worlds only Superpower sits back and does next to nothing to stop it.

You said that ISIS is committing these horrible atrocities to provoke us into another pointless, endless conflict. Hardly, they don't care what we think, because they see our leadership as weak, and impotent. Can't blame them for that. Our so called allies are saying the same thing. They are killing innocent people because the Koran is telling them to and they like it.

You asked why we Americans should have to carry the burden of protecting the weak. The answer is because we can, and should.

Take your situation. Despite your education, and based on what you've shared here, you are unable and probably unwilling to physically defend yourself. Were you to be dumped out of your wheel chair and beaten to a bloody pulp by your neighborhood bully, would you be crying for help and praying that a bigger, and badder person would step up and save you? Or would you resort to name calling as you continually resort to here?

There are Warriors among us who have stepped up, and will continue to step up when the weak such as yourself need protecting. Hopefully, unlike Leon Klinghoffer, someone will step up and protect you if you're in that position.

CK

This is one of the most amazing posts I have ever read, anywhere on any forum......it tops them all.    I would have been "OK" with continuing to have a debate on Politics, ISIS, America's role, etc.....but after reading your post above that SPECIFICALLY addresses these topics and outlines what you believe, clearly there is no point......again, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am, and there is just too wide a difference in our respective backgrounds and knowledge base.    But I really would like to ask you to address the following Question(s) and statements from me and sincerely ask you to respond as best you can, Casino Knight.....seriously:  I would like to ask you WHY you felt the need to make this part of your post, and what exactly you were (or are)  HOPING I will say, do, act or respond as a result of you making this post:"Take your situation. Despite your education, and based on what you've
shared here, you are unable and probably unwilling to physically defend
yourself. Were you to be dumped out of your wheel chair and beaten to a
bloody pulp by your neighborhood bully, would you be crying for help and
praying that a bigger, and badder person would step up and save you? Or
would you resort to name calling as you continually resort to here?

There are Warriors among us who have stepped up, and will continue
to step up when the weak such as yourself need protecting. Hopefully,
unlike Leon Klinghoffer, someone will step up and protect you if you're
in that position  Before I myself respond to this, I would really like to allow you the chance to further refine and explain what you want or expect after saying this......seriously, what would you like to see me do or hear me say/write after considering these words from you?   How would YOU respond to this if you were me Casino Knight?These are fair questions.......I await your reply sir......If you'd feel more comfortable talking privately, please email me at:       club_da_burglar@yahoo.com

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar two points, if I may. First; I have no problem with you voicing your opinion(s) but the problem I have is that you cannot or flat out refuse to accept other people's opinion(s). Second; when I posted the NPD info I said "sounds like DaBurglar to me" and I made no clearcut statement where I said "you DO in fact suffer from NPD.

Clarence Darrow ain't got nothin on you. Clarence Thomas either for that matter.

[DaBurglar]

DaBurglar two points, if I may. First; I have no problem with you voicing your opinion(s) but the problem I have is that you cannot or flat out refuse to accept other people's opinion(s). Second; when I posted the NPD info I said "sounds like DaBurglar to me" and I made no clearcut statement where I said "you DO in fact suffer from NPD.

Clarence Darrow ain't got nothin on you. Clarence Thomas either for that matter. I do not understand what you mean by "flatout refuse to accept other opinions"........what constitutes "ACCEPTANCE"???      I acknowledge everyone's right to say what they want, but I do not have to agree with it......in fact, as you yourself often point out, if someone posts something opinionated here they should be ready for DISAGREEMENT.....and then the person expressing DISAGREEMENT  should, in turn, expect more disagreement back at them, etc.Or, if I happen to agree or like what someone posts then I say that, but even that does not mean I 100% ACCEPT their opinion......What you and I get into a lot of times goes way beyond merely accepting opinions!!

[Casino Knight]

Was it something I said you found offensive?

On two occasions you've called me ignorant, and I didn't much care for that. That said, the only thing you responded to was when I got personal. So what!

Do you want to bully me with big words on the screen? Have at it. As for refining what I said, I think you can pretty well read between the lines of what I didn't say to get my drift.

CK
Here's my email if YOU want to step outside of this sandbox. casinoknight@hotmail.com

[DaBurglar]

I definitely called you ignorant once, not sure about the second time, and when I did it was in response to your contempt and disdain for what you termed my "learnedness", as if I need to apologize for being educated and intelligent....The point is, you just admitted it yourself, "You got personal"......and then you folow it up with "so what"???If you really are that MIFFED and upset I called you ignorant in the middle of a heated debate about POLITICS, then I will apologize for that, but there is no way it justifies or excuses what you wrote....not even close.I provided you with my email first, hoping you'd discreetly send me something saying you were just upset, and you did not really mean what you wrote, or whatever.....I do not NEED an apology from you, but you definitely owe one to the rest of the forum, as well as any disabled person who might read this crap.Do you honestly feel "BULLIED" by  BIG WORDS on the screen????   Are you f'ng serious???   it's too much trouble to type the word in your search bar if you cant understand what it means??   Again, I'm not going to apologize for being ...."Learned"....that's just the way I talk and write, for real.Seriously, That's honestly why you wrote what you wrote??    

[Casino Knight]

I definitely called you ignorant once, not sure about the second time, and when I did it was in response to your contempt and disdain for what you termed my "learnedness", as if I need to apologize for being educated and intelligent....The point is, you just admitted it yourself, "You got personal"......and then you follow it up with "so what"???

Of course it was personal. You made it personal with the initial name calling. (BTW, I corrected a spelling error for you.)


If you really are that MIFFED and upset I called you ignorant in the middle of a heated debate about POLITICS, then I will apologize for that, but there is no way it justifies or excuses what you wrote....not even close.


Says you. Some, myself included construe it to be "fighting words". Thus the response.


I provided you with my email first, hoping you'd discreetly send me something saying you were just upset, and you did not really mean what you wrote, or whatever.....

I meant every word I wrote. Especially about defending people who can't physically defend themselves. EVEN YOU!

I do not NEED an apology from you, but you definitely owe one to the rest of the forum, as well as any disabled person who might read this crap.Do you honestly feel "BULLIED" by  BIG WORDS on the screen????  

Isn't that how bullying starts, with name calling, and it sorta escalates from there doesn't it? Seems to have pushed your hot buttons.

As for an apology to the forum, I'm up for that. You can start with an apology for your profanity. I was taught the use of profanity is a @#$^@= for people who have trouble expressing themselves in a polite society. Oops almost said a not so PC word. As for an apology to the disabled, I'll save that for guys down at the VA Hospital in Phoenix, when I drop off an electric 3 wheeler I'm refurbishing and donating to them. How's that?

Are you f'ng serious???   it's too much trouble to type the word in your search bar if you cant understand what it means??  

Just because I write, speak, and act differently than you doesn't mean I have to look up all the BIG words to know what they mean. I also take into consideration the context and message the writer is trying to convey. Even with the BIG words, you don't leave much to the imagination.

Again, I'm not going to apologize for being ...."Learned"....that's just the way I talk and write, for real.

I don't expect you to, and I'm tickled pink that you're living the American Dream. Enjoying the full benefits that Freedom provides.

Seriously, That's honestly why you wrote what you wrote??     

Maybe, but mostly I took the word ignorant to mean RACA.

CK

[Tedlark]

  CK can I donate a few bucks for the paint you may need if you paint the scooter? I apologize for not calling you any names and for the lack of big words in this post.