The magic number seems to be 2010

[Tedlark]

I too am enjoying the honesty here, its very refreshing nad keeps us all on an even playing field, and eliminates the odor of BS.I do not think 50fakind's losses are all that egregious.....I too have had years where my TOTAL losses were in the 8,000 to 10,000 range (not including of course the comps, perks, free play, etc... obviously once you throw that in your total "LOSSES" are much more palatable and less egregious!)  My worst year(s) have indeed been 2012 and 2013 in AC when I finished down to the tune of 11,200 and 11,900 respectively BEFORE considering all other things.   This was all video poker play (no slots or tables) and I only played 25 cent denom (well, about 95% of my play was quarters)   But clearly, this is a highly personal and individual issue, what each person spends, plays and/or loses in a given year on casino play and video poker.      It is all about preference, budget, income, circumstances, obligations and responsibilities, etc etc etc.....I can only imagine what Billyjoe shells out each year, or even Roveer (currently residing in the "where are they now?"  file...)


   Yes, these are highly personal and individual issues but yet yoou pester people wanting to know about what they do with their winnings, W-2's, their tax situation and all kinds of other personal stuff. Geez...

[5ofakind4000]

On the whole my stats seems to say there isn't much difference in video poker results pre 2010 vs after 2010...I do miss some of the old machines though.. there are still a handful of coin dollar machines at the kewadin casinos in the u.p. of Michigan and I love playing those

[DaBurglar]

On the whole my stats seems to say there isn't much difference in video poker results pre 2010 vs after 2010...I do miss some of the old machines though.. there are still a handful of coin dollar machines at the kewadin casinos in the u.p. of Michigan and I love playing thoseThanks....this is interesting, and ideally, this is exactly what we should see and expect IF video poker remains truly random and IF the games are essentially the same from years past.......but clearly, in the other thread, people at least on this forum are proving that more of us feel (or think or perceive) that VP is worse than in years past......again, in and of itself proves NOTHING except that more of us THINK things are worse.  But as I said, that's a start, at least we can achieve a consensus on what we all are experiencing.....

[spxChrome]

I didn't read all the post but I agree 2010 was when it all went downhill. For me it started in Nov. 2010 it very obvious just from looking at my stats. The premium hands still come from time to time but there is just nothing in between. Nowadays its jackpot or nothing. Those 400 and 800 hardly every come anymore unless they are dealt. And I use to get them 1 or 2 times on each trip. Now I may get them 1 or 2 every 5-6 trips.

It's nothing to blow through $2k before getting your first quad and I play single line 10/6 DDB and 9/7 TDB.

[MPD001]

It's nothing to blow through $2k before getting your first quad and I play single line 10/6 DDB and 9/7 TDB.
Both very high volatility games.

[MPD001]

Just a theory, mind you, on this subject. When did the higher volatility games like DDB and TDB begin to appear? 2010 ? I really don't know. But if VP players switched from playing JoB to DDB, using the same bankroll, it is not unreasonable to expect some poor results. Playing high volatility games does require a larger bankroll to wait out the droughts.

[DaBurglar]

Just a theory, mind you, on this subject. When did the higher volatility games like DDB and TDB begin to appear? 2010 ? I really don't know. But if VP players switched from playing JoB to DDB, using the same bankroll, it is not unreasonable to expect some poor results. Playing high volatility games does require a larger bankroll to wait out the droughts.
DDB was around well before 2010, but TDB was fairly recent......but still prior to 2010 I think......I used to know this stuff.....

[notes1]

Just a theory, mind you, on this subject. When did the higher volatility games like DDB and TDB begin to appear? 2010 ? I really don't know. But if VP players switched from playing JoB to DDB, using the same bankroll, it is not unreasonable to expect some poor results. Playing high volatility games does require a larger bankroll to wait out the droughts.

  this would be an excellent theory. i only go back to 2006, but from what i have observed, it appeared that most players were banging away at DW and DDB. yes, TDB is newer, but in earlier years and the same today, i do not often see many playing JOB.

[olds442jetaway]

If there is no hanky panky with the vp machines, then unfortunately, we have to accept the fact that for some of us, a long run to reach those 99 plus paytable returns could be longer than our lifetimes and we will never attain that percentage. I prefer to still hope however, that it won't take that long or take so long that it won't make any difference to me because I won't even recognize what I am playing.

[FloridaPhil]

I think you are right about the high volatility games feeding the conception that the machines are paying less than they used to.  When I first began playing video poker I thought DDB was a better game because the jackpots were bigger.  I didn't realize what could happen if you played all day and the quads were on vacation.  Most quarter recreational players play for the excitement and a JB $30 quad or waiting for a Royal doesn't do it for them. They see that $500 4A-kicker and go for it.   After I read Dancer's book I started playing Jacks all the time.  I have to say I did pretty well, but the boredom of Jacks finally got to me.   I switched to deuces and have been happy ever since. Anyway, back to the subject. If you play 8/5 or 7/5 DDB all the time, you will definitely think the machines are rigged.