Food for thought

[alpax]

I heard somewhere that the megabucks slot jackpot odds is 1 in 50 million.

But learned something new right here with regards to the machine's top prize being at least 1 in 17 million. I do not think I can afford to spin something 17 million to reach a cycle.

[Vman96]

I heard somewhere that the megabucks slot jackpot odds is 1 in 50 million.

But learned something new right here with regards to the machine's top prize being at least 1 in 17 million. I do not think I can afford to spin something 17 million to reach a cycle.

Yeah, it's believed megabucks is near 1 in 50 million according to John Robison, who claims he has a Megabucks PAR sheet. According to him there is 1 Jackpot symbol per 368 stops on each reel...

1/(368)^3 = 1 in 49,836,032

http://robison.casinocitytimes.com/arti ... odds-13763

This would satisfy most states' laws. As far as I know, there are no Megabucks machines in WI. They are mostly in NV, NJ, MS, and CA. The first three states on that list only require a jackpot probability greater than 1 in 100M. I never have found CA's rules...meh   

And of course, the dream payout of my favorite game, Double STP is driven by these laws as well. Any dealt Royal with any deal multiplier = 20X Royal automatically. That rule drives the probability down to 1 in 9.74M.

Also it's one of the reasons why the max multiplier on Ultimate X is based on making a full house, the probability of hitting a full house followed by a royal on the same line is roughly 1 in 4.54 million and worth about 0.1% of the overall return similar to the Double STP jackpot hand. Conversely, back to back royals in standard VP is about =1/40000^2 = 1 in 1.6 billion.

[Tedlark]

But a secondary chip that is used to seed the RNG cannot do anything but give the RNG a new,random, kickoff point; it cannot otherwise change the determination of the RNG. When people sometimes talk of the screen "burping" for abrief milisecond, I attribute this to the RNG getting a new seed.

[olds442jetaway]

I will just fall back on my random hot cold cycle experience and for now, assume the machines are on the up and up. While I have had my shares of cold cycles that is for sure, I have had some hot ones too. The most recent one was playing Double Down Stud Bonus Deuces Wild. Played about 5,000 hands in that session. At the beginning of the session within 5 minutes Deuces quads were dealt. Unfortunately only had a quarter bet, but after doubling, at least it was worth 200 bucks. In the same session, I was dealt 3 5 of a kinds, 2 Wild Royals, and several straight flushes. The dud cycles were short for the most part too. Going home up 300 and only betting a quarter at a time was very satisfying and fun for a change. This was the only session I had in the last few weeks due to family comitments. Guess the casino decided to be Mr. nice guy for once especially since I was betting only a quarter

[notes1]

I know everyone on the forum won't believe this, but do people really think regulatory agencies made up a 48-page document discussing electronic gaming machines up just for fun and to deceive the public?


 so, just because there is a law or regulation on the books, we should believe that it is being followed or even enforced. i believe there are also laws/regulations regarding email usage for government employees and immigration.  

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=Vman96]
I know everyone on the forum won't believe this, but do people really think regulatory agencies made up a 48-page document discussing electronic gaming machines up just for fun and to deceive the public?


 so, just because there is a law or regulation on the books, we should believe that it is being followed or even enforced. i believe there are also laws/regulations regarding email usage for government employees and immigration.  [/QUOTE]great point notes1......even if you refuse to admit or acknowledge it, we agree on at least as many things as we disagree....This has been one of my main, consistent points of view since I started posting here......I readily accept that almost all gambling regulations in almost all states and locales are properly set up and are comprehensive and properly worded (the only possible exception is New Jersey, with its absurd wording of certain passages.)The laws and regs are there, no doubt.....but as Notes clearly and accurately states, that in and of itself proves or guarantees NOTHING.    The actual implementation and enforcement (and adherence to) of these rules and regs depends on ....... PEOPLE (i.e. Human beings, with all their faults, weaknesses and inclinations to do bad.)    Ergo, it stands to reason that somewhere, somehow, and at some point in time (past present or future), there have been transgressions and lapses in this set up and practice.......how can you believe otherwise?The fact that everyone who disagrees with this point of view/belief constantly makes the claim that "WE WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT such transgressions by now"  in and of itself proves or disproves NOTHING......We very well may have seen or heard these things and not realized it......but more likely, given the incentive to HIDE such things from the public, the perpetrators (and investigators) of transgressions and mistakes would do everything in their power to keep such stuff as low key or hidden as possible, just like all other forms or malfeasance and corruption are initially tried to be kept hidden or obscured.

[notes1]

DB, i am not sure why you try you put me in the camp of those who attack everything you post. i have no agenda against you, i have made positive comments when i agreed with you, but i refuse to let some of your outlandish statements go by unchecked.   as far as regulation goes, i am sure that every jurisdiction has rules/regs on the books for almost every facet of our lives, including gambling. but, as we have all seen recently, there are rules that are enforced and some that are not. i do not believe there is an industry wide corruption of the machines, simply because someone would talk about it. i think reduced paytables, taxes, less play per machine and too many casinos has affected payouts. but, i would not just blindly accept that because there is some regulation on the books, we should all be comforted that our interests are being looked out for.   you think i always pick on you. actually, i think you are doing something with your casino trips, that is a very good idea. as you have had bad luck at the machines, i think it is a smart idea to spend more time at the poker table, especially since you are a better than average player, per your stated results. you get to spend time in the casino, have fun and cut your losses. who cares if you pay $50 for a room,when you save $500 by not playing a machine that will not pay you.