Deuces Wild probability question

[alpax]

Thus far, I can count how many serious players who play the game right I've seen at a live casino with the fingers on my hand, which is very few. I probably need to explore more places to encounter serious players.

I am sure that only the elite players like onemoretry who have played for many years and have access to great games are fine with what they are doing. Not sure if they only play at places where a lot of elite players play like the SouthPoint casino at Vegas.

[olds442jetaway]

The serious long term players seem to forget that the math, probabilities, and infinity are all related and woven together. That is why a player like myself went over 500k hands last year on a single line game without a RF, then caught a couple within 10k hands, then went nearly 700k hands again without one until the other day. There is no guarantee, your play will approach the n orms in one's lifetime. By using single coin play for all of that time period, I could have lost 10k-12k instead of the 60k plus playing 5 coins all the time.
     Other players like Ted, LL and family, and several others have the luck of the Irish with them most of the time. That is just the way it goes. Infinity will be around a lot longer than we will. There are still only two guarantees in life unfortunately speaking of which, the money grubbing states like CT. and others have a lot of balls grabbing our money at 6% or more on gross winnings with no writeoffs for gambling losses allowed. Unfortunately, voter apathy keeps the political crooks in power. Wish we would just go to a pay as you go tax system. No returns to file etc. The lawyers and accountants would not be too happy though. The poorer people would pay little on their 15 year old used car purchase among other things and the rich would pay a nice chunk when they bought their 500 series M Benz etc. That will never go through in my lifetime. The only problem I see with that system is an enforcement body would have to be created to collect the tax the businesses have witheld. In this day of electronics though, maybe a system could be set up where the tax funds would be auto transferred to the gov't at the point of sale. That would bypass the need for an enforcement body. However if the system crashed, then what. Others thoughts encouraged if not here, in another format.

[alpax]

I did not want to mention your name directly, but a streak you've experienced is a reason luck plays a role even in good playing situations. Not many have the flexibility to lose 60 thousand to catch up to the benefits long term game, thus bankroll size is important before going bust. Even horrible with the non-write off state tax incomes in CT, MS, and MI amongst others.

[FloridaPhil]

For the sake of this discussion, I define a "serious player" as someone who has more than a casual interest in video poker, understands the concept of odds, knows what perfect play means and has devoted a significant amount of time and effort into learning at least two or more common games.  I don't include professional video poker players in this group because they report to be playing in a world few of us will ever see and I'm not sure any of them still exist.

[onemoretry]

I am sure that only the elite players like onemoretry who have played for many years and have access to great games are fine with what they are doing.
While I have, indeed, been playing video poker for many years, I certainly do not think of myself as an elite player. I consider that I'm a reasonably competent recreational player, and, yes, I am quite fine with my style of play.

[FAA]

6 hours using the Phil method. Deuces Wild. Got down about $200. No deuces quads or even wild royals. Straight flush and then bet 5 on the next hand. Nada, next
hand back to one coin. Dealt 4 to a Royal in spades. Last card, Jack of
spades. Only paid $62.50 of course,
but it did break a nearly 700k streak without a royal. I packed in and was still out $140,
but survived at least for another day. About 4,000 hands total played.
That is a lot of hands without a wild royal and only 3 5 of a kinds. The
regular quads were about on schedule. Too bad the very next hand to the
bet 5 hand had to be the royal, but the system is designed to survive a
bad streak and it did accomplish that.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A great point. Your unfortunate $23/hour loss is much better than my old $45/hour loss days. You can hit a trough of about a hundred hands and lose maybe $20, a few grains of sand in your shoe. Annoying, but you keep walking. I finally tried a taste of DW on Saturday. What took me so long! I did get in a hole, but was graciously dealt a Wild Royal on my last hand. My afternoon session loss was a mere $2, attributable to JOB misery. Something always seemed to be cooking in my DW hands. I am a fan. This game is actually fun!

[FAA]

The Cheap Strategy is very simple.  Play 90% of your hands at a
denomination where you don't give a damn what happens and play 10% of
your hands at a level where hitting a jackpot means something to you.
When you hit a jackpot at the higher level, keep the money and don't
play it back. This strategy is difficult for many
players because their brains and the casino keeps telling them the big
score is on the next hand.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A compliment for this particular phrasing. I did do much more one coin play than ever on Sat. Cheap Strategy is a pain reliever. Behavioral Xanax, no prescription required. You just don't give a damn about losing the min bet, so just keep grinding fancy free.  I may as well have been in Margaritaville. You tamp down the losses, so you considerably dilute stress, a positive externality.