What's a really high ADT?

[FAA]

you were getting $2,200 in free play a month, and only playing $50 of your own money. And on top of that your wife is staying in suites ,getting room service and movies without gambling a dime.
But now your upset that your not getting the same comps gambling only $50 of your own $, instead of the 150- 200k you were running through the machines last year in your "hay day"?
I remember your posts from last year where you stated that VP was taking a toll on you and that you were only going to be playing until the comps and free play dried up. So you knew this was going to happen at some point.

ROTF. Delicious irony. Ask not for whom the comps toll.

[olds442jetaway]

Roveer, funny the casino where I play seems to be taking the opposite approach. My current play at Mohegan Sun is down 90% due to family medical issues at home ( folks ) and my free play, gifts, and show offers seem to have increased about 50% in the last week or so. This could be due to a number of factors.
     1. They are trying their best to suck me back in to playing 3 or 4 days a week with 5k-10k cycled through on the average trip like before.
     2. We just entered a new cycle on 4/1/2015 for tier status. I made level 3 for the April-Sept cycle by the skin of my teeth due to a couple of trips where they had double or tripple tier credits. Many players I know have dropped back from level 3 or 4 to 1 or 2. I think the casino is trying to sort this out. Also they will soon be facing even more competition. They may be trying to get their level 3 and 4 players to keep playing at their current levels or even higher.
     3. The computer hasn't caught up yet with my reduced play over the last month or so. Either way, we are not talking about super generous offers here, but I have no problem with what they are offering. Current offerings are twenty bucks or so in free play every couple of days. Sun-Thrus rooms comped on many days, invites to some, but not the top shows, nominal gifts like blenders, knife sets, and such to clutter up the house even further. Seems to me like CET is up to the old failing restaurant tricks. Cut portions, raise prices, and cut quality.
      I have yet to see a restaurant in my area succeed when they have done those things. The other thing some of them do is over build for the neighborhood, make the restaurant too fancy along with the prices etc. Those places always fail too. Even local diners which I love for breakfast can screw themselves into failing. The average cup of coffee at the local diners runs $ 1.50. Most offer a number of breakfast specials including coffee for about 3 or 4 bucks or so. One upped their coffee price to 2.50 per cup and did away with the breakfast specials. You can guess what happened to them.

[notes1]

roveer, i remember reading your post a while back, where you were going to cut back your play, because the losses were mounting. in response to DB, i believe you felt something had changed within the machines, but you could not put your finger on exactly what is was.  in your current post, you asked why your wife does not understand why your treatment at the casinos has changed. you were obviously playing a great deal, putting a large amount of money on the line. is it possible your wife did not know how much money was at risk? you never identified the net results you had, if you had results similar to mine/others, did your wife understand how much the 'free stuff' was costing. the other point i found important for all is that the importance any of us receives from the casino is fleeting. everyone should remember that. play a lot, lose a bunch, they treat you like a king/queen. stop or cut back your play, and they will forget your name. it is a common practice for a casino to extend or even increase their 'generosity' for a limited time when someone cuts back their play. they are trying to reel us back in. but, once they feel they are being taken advantage of or not get their money back, they will cut you off or cut back. nothing the casinos do is by accident. making even the average player feel 'special', giving us back some of our own money, etc, are all by design. we all must remember that.    

[Vman96]

Regarding the comps/room situation and your attempt to be nice to your friends:   What you just copped to was Fraud......read the fine print and rules/regs regarding using comped rooms.....I recall a long time back when you yourself went off on this exact same subject when it was discussed in a different thread about people who would "SELL" their comps, essentially booking a free room/reservation and then "charging" a friend (or even strangers) a certain amount that was less than what a normal reservation would cost so that the person(s) were getting a "good deal" while the person with the comps pockets the cash.

Yep. Totally agree. You technically tried to fraud the casino, Ted, and got caught. Even though you made good to your friend in the end, it's still an unethical move. Doesn't mean I wouldn't do it myself...*September 2013 Vegas Trip*...*loud cough*

I also was so tempted to ask BillyJoe if he would let us use his unused Mirage suite last year, and was willing to give him a nominal amount of money to have it. But I didn't. I've regretted it ever since. No way I'm gonna pay for the comp rooms he earned...

[alpax]

Well put and said notes1 and djc32.

I suppose what roveer did is similar to what I hear most people do when they do not plan further business with the casino, the "cashing out" process of using the last month or two worth of freeplay and leaving the casino without additional play.

Like most business, it is not what you did in the past, it is more like "What have you done for me lately?"

[notes1]

a couple of 7* players on mendelson's site have commented that due to reduced play, their free play has dropped from a couple of thousand per month to a couple of hundred. and they are playing a lot more than $50/ visit. some of the reduced offers may be a result of CET bankruptcy.  let me see if i have the order of casino changes in the last few years, feel free to add/delete/correct; -cut back dramatically on comp points-reduce frequency/quality of gifts-reduce paytables/payouts-add fees-cut free slot play and, i have not even mentioned any 'legal' changes to machines.    the end result is the average player has experienced a much higher cost of playing VP.

[alpax]

I've read about all that on Mendelson's forum aswell. Lots of high rollers at Harrah's Rincon (Southern California), even people who were willing to play $100 denomination (no longer exists) to get to 7* in the shortest amount of time possible.

Not that I am into CET,

The 7* experiences and diamond aspirations have been trimmed as well

No more annual cruises from NCL

I am not limited to CET in terms of casino options, the Harrahs Rincon is within 100 miles but the nearby Native American tribal casinos are doing very well since tons of people with small or deep pockets will play. I have not seen my offers/experiences at Pechanga (18 miles closer) been affected in a negative way

[notes1]

I've read about all that on Mendelson's forum aswell. Lots of high rollers at Harrah's Rincon (Southern California), even people who were willing to play $100 denomination (no longer exists) to get to 7* in the shortest amount of time possible.

Not that I am into CET,

The 7* experiences and diamond aspirations have been trimmed as well

No more annual cruises from NCL

I am not limited to CET in terms of casino options, the Harrahs Rincon is within 100 miles but the nearby Native American tribal casinos are doing very well since tons of people with small or deep pockets will play. I have not seen my offers/experiences at Pechanga (18 miles closer) been affected in a negative way
 are the indian casinos in your state regulated by state officals?

[alpax]

[QUOTE=alpax]I've read about all that on Mendelson's forum aswell. Lots of high rollers at Harrah's Rincon (Southern California), even people who were willing to play $100 denomination (no longer exists) to get to 7* in the shortest amount of time possible.

Not that I am into CET,

The 7* experiences and diamond aspirations have been trimmed as well

No more annual cruises from NCL

I am not limited to CET in terms of casino options, the Harrahs Rincon is within 100 miles but the nearby Native American tribal casinos are doing very well since tons of people with small or deep pockets will play. I have not seen my offers/experiences at Pechanga (18 miles closer) been affected in a negative way
 are the indian casinos in your state regulated by state officals?[/QUOTE]

It is pretty much a bipartisan agreement that the Indian casinos provide significant revenue back to the state for the gaming rights given since 2001.

2500 slot machine limit, some have the rights to 7500

No free alcohol and it cannot be purchased through casino comps

I've never seen any 100%+ games so I'll put that on there

As for VP, quarter denomination games generally are atrocious. Must play at least dollar denomination to get good games. I doubt that is a state regulation but it seems to be a noticeable pattern.

All table games must use no foriegn objects other than cards (lots of casinos got rid of card craps since advantage gamblers found a loophole)

Slot payout reports are to be held confidential, though I know from experience it is much looser than anything in Vegas

Most of those casinos rate bounceback mailers on a curve, I know Harrah's Rincon does not

This website shows the success those casinos are having

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/c ... llion-2013

[QUOTE]California’s tribal gaming market — the nation’s largest Indian gaming state with 69 casinos producing $7 billion in revenue — accounted for a quarter of the nation’s total figure of $28.3 billion.

Casino City’s annual Indian Gaming Report, produced by California economist Alan Meister, was released Monday and covered the financial results from 479 tribal gaming facilities operating in 28 states. It takes Meister a year to collect the data from the previous 12-month period.[/QUOTE]

[notes1]

the reason i ask about regulation in CA, is that there are some folks, including Fa La La La La.... La la la la, who are adverse to playing in non government regulated casinos. not implying anything, but we do know, that many state laws do not pertain to tribal lands. i believe this happened with some bondholders up north that found their debt was not protected, as expected.