OK, JOB is boring...but

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wildman/4625601, if you were not already a member, welcome to the 'cost of playing VP has increased and the machines are different' club. if past experience is any predictor, you will soon receive feedback that disputes everything you mentioned. you may even get a wager from the vegas oracle, regarding what you have observed. since my very first post, i have contended that since sometime after the start of the recession, things changed at many casinos. and, while reduced paytables are a reason for some of those result changes, something else is also occuring.   

[FAA]

On the Video Poker Pocket app on my phone which I linked to this
website, it took 130k hands to get my first RF, my next RF happened on
the 180k th hand. I'm behind 2 cycles. I play JoB for small sessions spanning multiple sessions to keep bankroll alive.My app is independent of this site, but that seems irrelevant. Tx for the warning. These SOBs industry wide really want to keep you banging away! In our case, tapping away. They shall not grant you that joyous RF moment until hapless victim players have suffered through many cycles of frustration and anger. If it were not free, I would certainly have quit at 50,000. I'm also a low roller, in common parlance.

[FAA]

over the last 6 wks ive gone 3 times w/300 each time..the longest I
lasted on those 3 trips was 53 minutes! I reluctantly switched to BPD (400
credits for a quad). I won't even mention pay tables(u can find fair
paytables for the games ive mentioned) because they are of little
consequence because of the way the machines have been set. In those 3
sessions I was dealt 2 quads in BPD. No quads were drawn at all in those
3 sessions.Wildman, glad there is not a strong Mohegan marketing effort in my area, midway between MS and AC. Three horrific trip reports. I am doing okay in AC. You may have to make further concessions: downgrade to JOB or DO AC. It can't possibly get any worse for you. Even Da Burgler only lost $47 an hour in AC VP recently. Granted he had a Borgata quad. But even at $100 hourly loss, that is three hours of play on your bankroll. And wear a fire repellant jump suit next time!  After six minutes you should have a decent idea of whether the machine is a dud reverse ATM. Bang that cash out button like you're a Jeopardy contestant. Bankroll Jeopardy.

[wildman49]

Wildman, glad there is not a strong Mohegan marketing effort in my area, midway between MS and AC. Three horrific trip reports. I am doing okay in AC. You may have to make further concessions: downgrade to JOB or DO AC. It can't possibly get any worse for you. Even Da Burgler only lost $47 an hour in AC VP recently. Granted he had a Borgata quad. But even at $100 hourly loss, that is three hours of play on your bankroll. And wear a fire repellant jump suit next time!  After six minutes you should have a decent idea of whether the machine is a dud reverse ATM. Bang that cash out button like you're a Jeopardy contestant. Bankroll Jeopardy.




FAA I have been playing 3 games with a system. DW, JOB, and deluxe. I been playing Phil's system on DWOn
9/6 Jacks, 10 coin machines I been doing 2 coins till I hit a 3 of a kind then max bet
till I lose 2 hands in a row, then back to 2 coins, its working well. I keep all other wins at
the two coin bet.   A person can play a very long time with this.The
game I been having the best luck is BP DLX. Playing 10 coin machines, betting 2 coins,
max betting at any 3ok keeping all other wins at 2 coin bet. Not sure
why but the 4 of a kinds in this game come in a lot for me.  Its a
nice hit on max 800 credits but even on the 2 coin bet its 40 bucks. I always move after the 4ok hits. Bonus Poker Deluxe has been very good to me over the past year.A few pics from my last 2 trips. It's nice to come home ahead or even playing a system!

[wildman49]

wildman/4625601, if you were not already a member, welcome to the 'cost of playing VP has increased and the machines are different' club. if past experience is any predictor, you will soon receive feedback that disputes everything you mentioned. you may even get a wager from the vegas oracle, regarding what you have observed. since my very first post, i have contended that since sometime after the start of the recession, things changed at many casinos. and, while reduced paytables are a reason for some of those result changes, something else is also occuring.    I am not afraid of the fat cats from Vegas. We all see things and find our poker play at our casino different from others. For Olds in CT. he can't hit a royal for nothing. For me I play about 50,000 hands a month and have 6 royals this year on single line play. But there seems to be nothing in the middle as far as hits. I have had to find new games and new ways to ride out all the dead hands. For Phil he has the DW working for him. For others it might be a bank of machines or a style of play. I think we can all learn from this forum and find something that might work. We all know its not like back in the day as far as play, learning to play around the new software will help keep us playing much longer and enjoy the game.

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wildman, applaud you for calling it as you see it.  i agree, there is more than one way to adjust to todays VP situation. i have stated from first post that i/m/o, the cast of gambling has increased and whatever financial situation one is in, we can either accept it or make an adjustment that suits your situation. no single adjustment is right for all. it is all about getting the proper amount of value for one's entertainment dollar.

[olds442jetaway]

I just posted in response to a new poster who had questions about Mohegan Sun. If you guys read what I just wrote, it strongly agrees with you guys have posted here. I just now read your remarks in relation to what has happened since 2011. For Mohegan Sun, it started the day they started putting no points paid on many of the better paytable machines. The only way we will ever find out the truth is if a former high end tech or employee of the program makers comes forward at some point. This is highly unlikely imo, but maybe some day we will find out the truth.

[FAA]

maybe some day we will find out the truth.The truth is out there. - The X FilesWildman, puzzled by fat 250 coin ($62.50) payout until I read 10 coin. Too rich for my blood. I've never understood those pay tables with last number a 6. It goes against my thrifty ways to begin with, and creates such cognitive dissonance vs my standard pay table universe. I steer clear.From your reported play pattern, you're actually right around the normal cycle with six Royals in about 235,000 hands! Congratulations are in order! On
9/6 Jacks, 10 coin machines I been doing 2 coins till I hit a 3 of a kind then max bet
till I lose 2 hands in a row, then back to 2 coins, its working well. I keep all other wins at
the two coin bet. A person can play a very long time with this.Yeah, that system sounds familiar. I do that with my voucher. 2, 2, TOAK+, then consecutive losers at max 5 have me humbly ratcheting back down to two. Scared money in action. I usually get around the $25 of my voucher. So you never go back up to max once you ratchet down? That would absolutely lead to a lengthy session! Boring, but solvent is preferable to flaming out.

[FAA]

It is usually pretty easy to get ahead 20 bucks on a quarter machine. I
use a bankroll of $400. I take the twenty, switch games and play
the Phil method on single coin Deuces Wild. Haven't even hit deuces
quads yet, but haven't busted the 400 budget either. I usually switch
machines as well when I collect that twenty.That's a nice yardstick for your strategy. I'll give it strong consideration. Twenty and take off! I like it. We know how precipitous the drop is on the back end of the curve.