good times are gone and not coming back..

[DaBurglar]

To me the VP machines play like a slot machine now days. Just dead hand after dead and then maybe a good hand. Were before you could float $100 bill for 10-15 minutes. Now its gone as fast as you can get it out of your pocket.

I am still convinced that they have found a loop-hole in the regulations. To me its like the deal is Random and after the deal its dealing cards based on some kind of set payback%. Its is just next to impossible to fill a dealt set of 2,3,4 or Aces.

Everytime I go to a casino I can always get quad 8's or 10's or Kings. But only about 1 out of every 4 trip can I get a 400 or 800.
excellent post, and basically echoes what I was saying for a long time during 2011-2013 on this forum in detailing my ever worsening results in AC ..... I backed off the assertion(s) that either the games in AC were somehow "set up and programmed" different than in other Video Poker markets (like Vegas) to allow for returns far below what the paytables alone indicated.....OR, I asserted that, given the desperation evident in AC amongst casinos who were all losing gobs of money and had no hope in hell of fixing the situation any time soon (and given the complete LACK of presence within AC casinos of the now defunct NJ gaming commission), some casinos had simply started cheating.    My reasons for backing off were essentially so I could cease the hostility vented at me by others who, for reasons only they knew, were so VEXED by my opinions and assertions, even though I had all along made these assertions with more than simple innuendo (i.e.  I had my own personal play results which were, and still are, way out of bounds of statistical normalcy, as well as the anecotal evidence from numerous friends and family who likewise play(ed) in AC.....and of course I have heard a whole hodge podge of stuff from people who have worked inside the casinos in AC...)I've cut way way back on my video poker play in AC the last year or so, but it still is horrible, and given my most recent trip to Vegas (which I will talk about shortly) and given the 2 day trip to AC I just returned from (which I took Immediately after my Vegas jaunt, thanks to a bizarre airline vacation package snafu/situation which ultimately had my return flight from Vegas deposit me in Philly, which as you all know is just 65 minutes from AC!)Look for my post in the next day or two in the Vegas and/or AC forum section......but bottom line, I now agree MORE THAN EVER with SPXchrome's original post above that Video Poker, not only in AC but also, potentially in other markets NOT in Nevada, is absolutely NOT what we all came to assume and expect video poker to actually BE.....the desperation of the casinos to simply SURVIVE, let alone actually make a profit, is no so precarious that NOTHING can be ruled out or excluded, and quite simply, games like video poker (which, prior to 2005 was a money maker for casinos simply because ENOUGH demand for the games existed in NOT-yet-Saturated markets so that extremely fair paytables (99% or bETTER) could still be counted on to make money, and therefore, no one needed to screw with anything about Video Poker.

[olds442jetaway]

As soon as my results go from 95% long term to even 98%, I will be the first to say I think everything is on the up and up with the machines. I have now made the million hands club going Royalless for most of 2015. Granted, much of that is on multi line games with a much larger variance, but still......one million plus and counting....One might question how could anyone play a million hands this early in the 2015 year, so I will answer that question ahead of time. Playing 3 sessions a week, 8 hours a session, playing mostly spin poker at an average of 12 lines, and playing around 600 deals per hour. That means 172,800 hands per week x 4.3 equals 743,040 dealt hands per month. I think I did hit one early on in 2015 and had a couple of months with very little play due to the situation with the folks at home. The rest of the play for 2015 was on single line games or on Muti-Strike that I have not factored into the spin poker Royalless play.
     Edited to add....The variance on 9/6 job playing 9 lines of spin poker is 53. That is a lot and even quite a bit more than playing a multi line non spin poker game. Maybe that is why the casino offers to pay 800 for 1 with one nickel bet if the Royal hits on some of their machines for the spin poker game only.

[Tedlark]

  Olds I feel for you and your long streak of going without a royal. I have been on the other end of the curve as I've hit 16 so far this year. They have all been on 3/5/10 play machines and I haven't caught more than one during one play. None of the royals I caught were caught as a result of a dream card automatic win either, for those who may say otherwise.    I, for one, don't assume video poker is anything other than a game of chance in a casio.   DaBurglar, welcome back. Have you played video poker in any market other than: Atlantic City; Nevada; or Mohegan Sun/Foxwoods in the last several years? I see that Southwest Vacations went sour on you?

[notes1]

     I, for one, don't assume video poker is anything other than a game of chance in a casio.

  ted, this is an interesting comment. i do not want to assume the meaning, please explain.

[Tedlark]

Oops good catch notes, please insert the missing n in casio.

My post was to rebut another fellow poster who said:"that Video Poker, not only in AC but also, potentially in other markets NOT in Nevada, is absolutely NOT what we all came to assume and expect video poker to actually BE....."

I just didn't want to be counted as one of this other poster's "WE."

[notes1]

Oops good catch notes, please insert the missing n in casio.

My post was to rebut another fellow poster who said:"that Video Poker, not only in AC but also, potentially in other markets NOT in Nevada, is absolutely NOT what we all came to assume and expect video poker to actually BE....."

I just didn't want to be counted as one of this other poster's "WE."
 i was not pointing out a spelling error, i have never won a spelling bee.  i was more interested in VP being a 'game of chance'. a curious choice of words.   

[DaBurglar]

Oops good catch notes, please insert the missing n in casio.

My post was to rebut another fellow poster who said:"that Video Poker, not only in AC but also, potentially in other markets NOT in Nevada, is absolutely NOT what we all came to assume and expect video poker to actually BE....."

I just didn't want to be counted as one of this other poster's "WE."You have nothing to worry about.....you are the absolute LAST person I would even consider speaking "for" or on Behalf of or inclusive of, etc etc etc         Nonetheless, I am slightly (only slightly) startled at your inability to comprehend just what exactly I am talking about within my post, when I say that "WE" all have a certain expectation or preconception regarding HOW video poker should operate, and what constitutes HOW Video Poker's standard return % is calculated....and most importantly, HOW the game operates in determining and dispensing actual HAND results.Simply put, WE  all expect a video poker game in ANY state in ANY casino to have a accurate and true paytable displayed which allows us to determine the EXPECTED return % for that particular game over the long haul, and we expect that the RNG within the video poker game to operate in a fair and unskewed manner, generating hands that, (again) OVER THE LONG HAUL, statistically conform to expected results, namely knowing what the expected frequency of specific HANDS are in a standard 52 card deck, we expect each VP machine to adhere and distribute hand resukts that (again) over the long haul fall within the old  "three standard deviations"  test........ Who or what could possibly disagree with this summarization?       NOTE:  "LONG HAUL" is obviously a semantic digression meaning infinity, or indefinitely long time frame involving NUMEROUS hands.I maintain, and SPXchrome strongly suspects, that in the case of Atlantic City anyway, there are numerous machines within the 8 (or so) casinos that apparently DO NOT embody, or operate within or upon, these same "expectations", constraints, and/or parameters, thus yielding results that are totally skewed, out of bounds of statistically normal expected distributions and thus, presenting the player(s) with monetary losses that defy expectations (way way beyond the usual "well its all in fun; I come to a casino EXPECTING to lose;  I expect to LOSE this money, etc etc etc" MANTRA)

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar I quite easily understood and comprehend what you wrote; I would just prefer that you refrain from giving an impression that you are speaking for us all as a group.

Two words: No they are not: Southwest Vacations, but rather: chill pill.