Strategy for earning comps

[Vman96]

Considering the Royals he hit last year, a statistical outlier is definitely possible. I also believe FloridaPhil is on a huge outlier as well. wildman49 got one dollar royal at max bet, 1 50c royal at max bet, 1 25c royal at max bet, 1 20c royal at max bet, and a $2400 win on "Triple Trouble Poker" last year and that's not even all his royals! And only 2 of his 11 royals are min coin!

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[wildman49]

[/QUOTE]I have a difficult time taking your claims at face value. I've never met you (so far as I know) and certainly am not calling you a liar --- but results like the one you claim are extraordinarily rare.When you say 167000 coin in, do you mean $167,000? Bob[/QUOTE]$167,000 coin in is correct.

[wildman49]

I have a difficult time taking your claims at face value. I've never met you (so far as I know) and certainly am not calling you a liar --- but results like the one you claim are extraordinarily rare.When you say 167000 coin in, do you mean $167,000? if so, only being down $140 means you're getting paid at a 99.92% clip --- while playing games that are presumably in the 97% range (I'm factoring "bad games" and "less than max coins" to get the 97%.) That just doesn't happen.Over a few trips, any kind of results are possible. Over 50 trips, your luck averages out quite a bit. Getting results 3% higher than the machines are pegged for over that many trips is "immaculate conception" kind of unlikely.There are those here who are willing to take your figures at face value. I'm not one of them. Money management systems (what you call min-to-max betting systems) aren't magical. If you bet sometimes at a 96% game (min bet) and sometimes at a 98% game (max bet), your results will hover around 97% --- less when you account for the errors generated because the strategy for a 250-for-1 royal is very different than the strategy for a 800-for-1 royal and anyone silly enough to be using such a system is unlikely to have both strategies memorized.BobI did go back the last 5 months to Jan. 1st and did find in my records I did have $735 in slot winnings on sizzling 7 machines in Jan that I thought was in Dec., my bad, So for video poker I am down $875 with $167,000 coin in,but down $140 YTD gambling wise. I stand corrected. .

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here come the revisions.

[wildman49]

here come the revisions.Your welcome.

[FAA]

So for video poker I am down $875 with $167,000 coin in---------------------------------------------------------------------------Still pretty damn remarkable. 99.48% clip. Congratulations!

[wildman49]

So for video poker I am down $875 with $167,000 coin in---------------------------------------------------------------------------Still pretty damn remarkable. 99.48% clip. Congratulations!

THANKS FAA been sliding as of late down $1300 on $215,000 coin in. I just can't take down any of the 4 to the royals at the max bet. Been seeing a lot of them on max but 1 out of 47 is keeping me out of  the black for the year.

[DaBurglar]

Wildman49  is apparently on some kind of major heater!   Enjoy it while it lasts wildman!    Either way, whatever your results,  I applaud  your tracking and record keeping, and especially your sharing your results with us in a clear manner!    It makes for interesting discussion as this thread indicates, well done wildman.I like Bob's approach too, using only MATH and logic to make his case, whether you agree with him or not.......I would LOVE to have BOB address some OTHER seemingly strange, bizarre or unique "results" experienced by other posters here, where Bob could give us his opinion on the veracity (or likelihood) of the claimed results being accurate or true.....from where I sit, it APPEARS Bob is usually on the mark  AT LEAST a good  80% of the time BOB, regarding a previous post where you corrected me when I said casinos in Vegas tolerate you because you attract a lot of players.......what casinos are you currently "restricted" from?Not only would I like to know the "Bob Dancer Black Book", but also the nature of these "restrictions" on Bob;  is he allowed to play ANY video poker, and if so, what and at what denom?   How are these restrictions applied.     And most important, which casinos (beside south point)  currently allow BOB to play what he wants, when he wants and HOW he wants!!!!Despite what Bob says about "more casinos restricting him than giving him free reign",  Obviously in order for Bob dancer to be......"Bob Dancer", and survive, thrive and pull off what he does year in and year out, there still must be ENOUGH casinos in Vegas who allow him to play at FULL ADVANTAGE.     I wonder if Bob wins 80% of the time, even using his "Advantage" play?

[FAA]

Now a 99.4% clip. Let's hold it right there now! My losses were almost 10% of my coin in on Sat. Cheap Strategy here I come.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BobDancer] There are those here who are willing to take your figures at face value. I'm not one of them.  Money management systems (what you call min-to-max betting systems) aren't magical. If you bet sometimes at a 96% game (min bet) and sometimes at a 98% game (max bet), your results will hover around 97%[/quote] If you play 50 hands at single coin on a 95% quarter video poker machine, switch to $1 max coins on the 51st hand and hit a royal flush for $4,000 what are your results?  It's true that is an extreme example, but there's no getting around the fact that the odds of a royal flush are exactly the same on the 51st hand as the first.   If you extend that example down to include straight flushes, 5-of-a-kinds, wild royals and quad deuces, you can start to see how the Cheap Strategy actually works.I don't expect Bob Dancer to agree with any of this as he has stated time and time again that he would never play a negative expectation video poker game.  What if Bob and I have a little competition?  We both start out with 1,000 coins. Bob plays max coins and I play the Cheap Strategy.  Who wants to bet that Bob has a better chance of coming out ahead?   Not me, because he has a 4 times greater chance of busting.  In a professional scenario where all the games are 100% plus, money is unlimited and players are perfect into infinity, Bob Dancer is the undisputed leader.  In the world that most recreational players play in, that's not always the case.I am not disputing anything Bob Dancer says or has ever said about video poker.  I believe his strategies are sound for the world he plays in and I applaud him for his intellect and skill.   My problem is he only gives two choices; play 100% games perfectly with an unlimited bankroll or don't play at all.  The Cheap Strategy is designed to allow you to play negative expectation video poker games at a reduced cost with a reasonable chance of coming out ahead.  I'm not selling anything, I'm not going for the Nobel Prize of Video Poker and I sure don't care if someone thinks I post this stuff because I want to be a hero.  I lost money for years using Bob Dancer's strategy on negative expectation video poker games and that stopped when I changed to something that actually addressed the bigger problem of controlling losses instead of waiting for math to turn the game positive.