Florida Phil's Obsession with Me

[onemoretry]

The system works I have been using it for a year now. I have gained 4% more from last years losses to now play even. No its not going to make you rich but lets you play even.
In most video poker games, playing short coin reduces the game return by around 1.5%

I simply do not understand how playing a game which a casino offers you at a slight player disadvantage with a somewhat higher disadvantage can possibly let you "play even".

[wildman49]

I simply do not understand how playing a game which a casino offers you at a slight player disadvantage with a somewhat higher disadvantage can possibly let you "play even".Till you do it for a year and only then look at your results you can understand. Max bet hits over time make up the 1 coin bet losses. Don't knock something till you try it long enough. My results are only mine but they tell a much better story then max bet every hand. Good luck to all where ever you play but here in the Midwest this is the only way I can play to hold my own.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=onemoretry]I simply do not understand how playing a game which a casino offers you
at a slight player disadvantage with a somewhat higher disadvantage can
possibly let you "play even".[/quote]This is an excellent question. If you really want to know, read this carefully and you may understand how this works.  Playing single coin quarters allows a recreational player to play at least 3-4 times as many hands as a max coin player with the same bankroll.  By switching to max coins after every 4 coin win, you are taking a shot at a max coin jackpot about 8% of the time.   With 3-4 times as many hands played, this happens with enough frequency to bring you back even or go ahead for the day allowing you to play even more hands.  If one of these max coin jackpots happens to be a quad deuce after you switched to dollar play, you just won $1,000 playing single coin quarters 90% of the time.  Every blue moon or so the stars line up and you hit a max coin royal which really boosts your bankroll.  This strategy only works if you have the discipline to stay with it long enough to hit your share of max coin jackpots and never go on tilt and give back your winnings.   This has been working for me for about three years.  I decided to apply it to $5 machines about a year ago and hit $3,000 worth of quad deuces with about $300 at risk.   I agree I was very lucky, but so was the Dancer's million dollar six months years ago.  Like I said before, when this happens to me it's BS.   When it happens to a Bob Dancer it launches his career as the Michael Jordan of video poker.  I am not criticizing Bob Dancer here.  If I had been in the same position, I would have done the same thing.I am not advocating anyone play Cheap Strategy.  I am only answering your question.

[FAA]

Good luck to all where ever you play but here in the Midwest this is the only way I can play to hold my own.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Even in Vegas, I cannot imagine long term success on max bet auto pilot! Regardless, most of us can't aggregate positive expectation games and promotional kickback. I use the four and five coin options rarely.

[alpax]

I don't understand why someone from the Vegas market that plays $25 a hand
cares about someone who plays twenty five cents a hand.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Exactly. I guess this was 1300 words of self defense.if you read between lines in any of Vegas Bob 's posts you can see
the only way he is ahead any given years in cash back and promo wins.
Not VP.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Which I'll never compile, so it's always been irrelevant.


Some people believe here that Mr. Dancer is a business man, he has yet to deny that. It probably took Mr. Dancer more than an hour of his time to come up with that original post. Making attacks in attempts to tarnish his ideas may affect sales or revenue?

[QUOTE](Winning and losing isn't black and white. A large number of players end up paying less than retail for their casino visits. While technically it's still a net loss, an intelligent argument can be made that they are really winning at the game.)[/QUOTE]

Realistically, this is what recreational players should aim and strive for. Mr. Dancer's publicly stated advice is adequate enough to do that. If you are aiming to make a living, that is beyond being recational.

[onemoretry]

Max bet hits over time make up the 1 coin bet losses.
To me, this is a weakness of this "system".

What if the max hit bets fail to appear?

[onemoretry]

I am only answering your question.

But, your answer is, basically, play small for a while, then play big and IF you hit a max play jackpot you're ahead.

To me, that's a really big if.

I acknowledge that the cheap system has worked for you, but I'd hesitate to agree it's because of it.

And, as I said in a previous post, if I operated a casino, and players willingly gave up a percent and a half more than they had to, I'd be quite happy.

I just want to emphasize that I don't really care how anybody else plays. In fact, the more that some folks are willing to concede to the casino, the better the casino will be able to continue to offer the better video poker games.

Periodically, though, I do get irritated by some of the comments suggesting playing short coin most of the time, with an occasional foray into higher denominations, is the road to video poker success.

[alpax]

I've personally experienced CS. It hurts the most not to be able to chain a good streak of winners while betting max bet. When you are able to, it is an uplifting experience. It is a way to lower coin in with a chance at winning good amounts provided luck is on the player's side.

[alpax]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil] I am only answering your question.

But, your answer is, basically, play small for a while, then play big and IF you hit a max play jackpot you're ahead.

To me, that's a really big if.

I acknowledge that the cheap system has worked for you, but I'd hesitate to agree it's because of it.

And, as I said in a previous post, if I operated a casino, and players willingly gave up a percent and a half more than they had to, I'd be quite happy.

I just want to emphasize that I don't really care how anybody else plays. In fact, the more that some folks are willing to concede to the casino, the better the casino will be able to continue to offer the better video poker games.

Periodically, though, I do get irritated by some of the comments suggesting playing short coin most of the time, with an occasional foray into higher denominations, is the road to video poker success. [/QUOTE]

A good amount of places will offer better paytables for those willing to go from 25c to dollar. I usually bite the bullet and increase my denomination, as a compromise I cannot play weekly or as frequently as they do. Sometimes playing higher denomination will bring back more value to the player than the CS.

[KingofAmerica]

The way I see it, Bob Dancer is not necessarily trying to teach people how to be like him or how to be a professional VP player. All he is really saying to the recreational player is: (i) pay attention to pay tables and find the best ones you can; (ii) study and practice strategy so you are playing as optimally as possible; and (iii) pay attention to benefits such as points, giveaways, comps, etc., which have value and will add to your total return. It's like watching a how-to video by a PGA pro -- he doesn't expect you to play as well as him, but he's giving basic pointers that will allow you to maximize your skill and play better. Of course, Mr. Dancer might disagree, but that is how I look at it. He's not trying to sell anyone a bill of goods.