Still want to play one hand?

[onemoretry]

I miss mickey on Wizard of Vegas. He has great stories and good info...when he's sober.
He has been posting on the vpFREE forum lately.

[alpax]

He's constantly questioned for specific details that no sensible advantage player would just give away with nothing in return. Many here don't believe you can profit from casinos if you are SOLELY playing advantageous situations. Bob has said numerous times, if he doesn't have the long term edge after accounting for everything, he simply doesn't play. He treats VP as a JOB, not entertainment!


I might be wrong about this, but from what I get about Mr. Dancer mentioning building relationships with other players is something that further separates himself and players here (we play alone or with a spouse/significant other).

These players do trial and error at a casino to see kind of mailers they get from playing Game X at Y amount of coin in until they hit the sweet spot. Since these players have to initially lose money to figure out the best value, these players find exchanging this information as a worthy trade.

I think Mr. Dancer's network is well established to a point where he has the entire Vegas scouted. Takes too much time for one person to scout all 80-100 casinos in Clark County alone. On the last GWAE radio show episode, it is mentioned how he knows about the games available and the casino promotion trends/cycles. A newcomer will face stiffer competition, and Mr. Dancer is not scared of any newcomers for sure.


Frankly, I'm glad we did as we were able to clear up some misconceptions.   Personally, I thought he never played anything but 100% plus games perfectly and that was now he makes his money.  I had no idea he ever played less than 100% games then counted raffle wins, show up money and all kinds of extras


At least you and hopefully DaBurglar understands this aspect now and that is all that matters even though Mr. Dancer repeated this a few dozen times (some folks understood this the first time it was stated).

People have questioned how Mr. Dancer gets away with winning so much from a casino. It is more like the sum of the parts equals a whole. Playing at 10 casinos, winning at some and losing at some, but it will add up to a positive amount. Just that with a negative expectation game, one of the casino can produce a positive number and then a negative number when a cold streak happens there.

[QUOTE=pokerpokerpoker] I keep waiting for Mr. Crimm to show up at Alan's forum again.

I miss mickey on Wizard of Vegas. He has great stories and good info...when he's sober.[/QUOTE]

Mr. Crimm is an occasional poster on the VPFree forum, but in a well mannered way. The stories are great to read, and there was one posted today by Mr. Crimm.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]People have questioned how Mr. Dancer gets away with winning so much
from a casino. It is more like the sum of the parts equals a whole.[/quote]I see Bob Dancer's strategy as a kind of high limit casino coupon clipping.  I believe a few of the players on this forum could match his actual VP playing skills, but at the level they play the comps and perks are not great enough to get any real advantage.   If you're willing to risk enough money, it seems the casino will pay you to play.  They obviously do this in the strong belief that most players will lose.  This wouldn't work if it didn't make money for the casino.I now believe Bob Dancer is a long term winner at gambling, but he's not getting his money from me.  Sure, there are a lot more small potatoes VP players, but I think much of his revenue stream comes largely from high rollers who don't do the work it takes to win.  A stupid uniformed single coin quarter player is not going to pay his bills.   An uninformed million dollar sports figure, Fortune 500 CEO or a trust account baby can and the more they play the more they lose. Of course there will always be the "temporarily rich" to add to the pot.  Bob's sort of like a Bizzaro Robin Hood...  take from the rich and give to the rich.   My empathy has always been with retirees.  They worked hard for their money and saved all their life so they could enjoy some fun in their later years.  Casino gambling is one thing you can do for fun even if they have to wheel you up to the machine.  Many retirees are well off financially but don't know how long their money needs to last or just want to leave something to their kids or the church. These are the folks I think need to know there is a way to enjoy video poker without seriously hurting their life savings.   I believe there is a good chance I know more about that world than Bob Dancer and those were the people I was primarily talking to in my CS posts.  

[case]

Phil wrote"Sure, there are a lot more small potatoes VP players, but I think much
of his revenue stream comes largely from high rollers who don't do the
work it takes to win.  A stupid uniformed single coin quarter player is
not going to pay his bills.   An uninformed million dollar sports
figure, Fortune 500 CEO or a trust account baby can and the more they
play the more they lose"I don't know what you mean. Are you saying Bob gets a cut from the money people lose at VP? Huh?

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=case]I don't know what you mean. Are you saying Bob gets a cut from the money people lose at VP? Huh?[/quote]All the money lost in a casino goes into the same casino profit pot.   When Bob Dancer takes out six figures a year, where does the money come from?  From other players.  So you could say Bob Dancer is getting a cut if you want to look at it that way.  When you win, the same thing happens in reverse. The longer you play overall negative games the more you lose, that's what the math says anyway.  Playing in the high limit room causes you to lose even more money unless you play the comp and progressive game as well as a Bob Dancer.  That's why the high limit room has nice curtains and female furniture.  Casinos will do everything to get people into that room and keep them there.  Bob knows this and uses it to great advantage.What I'm saying is that I believe Bob Dancer's money comes more from non-advantage high denomination players than single coin quarter retirees.  I know I'm not paying his bills. 

[Tedlark]

Phil I found your first and last sentences to be a bit contradictory.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote]Phil I found your first and last sentences to be a bit contradictory.
[/quote]I guess it doesn't really matter where it comes from as most all players contribute.  It does make me feel better to think that Bob is picking some high rollers pocket more than an old lady in a walker.  

[QueenyJones]

Now he has more money to play with Maybe next time he'll hit with all coins played. This is a nightmare of mine!!

[alpax]

it was on alan mendelson's site. also of note, mendelson won $100k on a $25 VP machine in vegas recently. 

Mr. Mendelson made a return visit to the Bellagio this weekend and won the progressive at $31,005 with a dealt Royal Flush playing max coins on 7/5 Bonus Poker. It is from the same bank as the one coin Royal Flush blunder by the lady mention on this original post.

From Mr. Mendelson's account, I learned that the $5 progressive bank is also linked with other MGM properties in Vegas.

[QuadGod]

Talk about Gambler's Remorse. I was at the MGM some years ago, playing $1 Five Play DDB. Some guy was playing a few machines away on 10-Play 5$ (I don't recall what game it was). All of a sudden, I hear this shrieking obscenity coming from the guy. He had been playing for quite a while and only had 20 credits left, played 2 coins for each hand and was dealt a Royal. Yes, he won $25,000 but was screaming that it should have been $200,000. Believe it or not, I felt his pain even though he had won $25K.