Someone please explain

[ko king]

Let's start with the fact that I picked up on this difference while playing at casinos in different states a long time ago. I've read on this site that all RNG's are the same but there's no way I'm convinced at all, I've seen the truth and they're not all the same. It's been a while but I did question both a machine tech and a state regulator that said there were somewhere around 13 approved RNG programs for video poker games. Here's what I picked up on a few years back while playing at different casinos, it seemed I was seeing way too many 4 to the flush off the draw and was converting way too few to the flush at one casino. I checked a couple of times myself and I was indeed seeing more of this type of hand at that casino, my problem was that I wasn't sure about the amount of hands I had played both times so I had to estimate based on the average amount of hands I usually play in an hour. On one occasion I had played just under 4 hours and averaged 11 per hour. On that day I received 44 dealt 4 to the flush off the deal, I converted 1 out of every 8 to the flush. The other trip I received almost identical results. At the same casino I found a bank of progressive vp machines that paid a premium for how long each suited royal went before it was hit, on those machines the amount of 4 to the flush off the deal went down to normal, barely even noticed the hand occurring, in other words the hand didn't stand out. I finally got the chance to have someone watch while I played and keep up with how many hands I was playing and how many times I received and converted the four to the flush off the draw. They had rough time keeping up with how many hands I played because I play pretty fast but they were in the neighborhood. Turns out my initial numbers were right on spot, I was getting more of that type of hand at that casino. We left and drove to another casino in a different state to repeat the process. The four to flush off the draw was normal, nothing above average, in other words the hand didn't stick out and I was converting them to a flush an average of 1 every five chances. See I picked up on this a few years back and even noticed at the casino where the hand occurs more frequently that more royal and straight flushes are hit there. I did ask a fellow that played at this particular casino if he noticed this going on and he said he did but he also said he hit more royals and straight flushes there, huh, seems to be a pattern that's just not in mind.

[FloridaPhil]

There seems to be a reoccurring theme here. Experts will tell you there is no way a player can make assumptions based on such a small sample.  That may be true, but there is no getting away from the fact that many players think some casinos "seem" to be modifying their programs to swing the game further in their favor.  Video poker players play a lot of hands.  Some days you win and some days you lose.   However, when you continue to have negative results over months at a time you naturally conclude something is wrong.  I don't know if the machines are being tapered with or not.  I can tell you this.  I quit playing at casinos where I suspect this is happening.   My list is not long, but it does exist.

[FAA]

I quit too! I don't like being hustled either. My list is five in AC, a majority of the establishments. Patronize the minority group and skip the stress. My only regret now is not switching to dollar denominations when I sense a quad coming. This is becoming quite aggravating. I am often too cheap.      My hunch is usually right, but I can't pull the trigger on bullish play!

[onemoretry]

when I sense a quad coming.
How do you do that? What kind of signal do you get?

[Eduardo]

Quad coming!

[ko king]

There seems to be a reoccurring theme here. Experts will tell you there is no way a player can make assumptions based on such a small sample.  That may be true, but there is no getting away from the fact that many players think some casinos "seem" to be modifying their programs to swing the game further in their favor.  Video poker players play a lot of hands.  Some days you win and some days you lose.   However, when you continue to have negative results over months at a time you naturally conclude something is wrong.  I don't know if the machines are being tapered with or not.  I can tell you this.  I quit playing at casinos where I suspect this is happening.   My list is not long, but it does exist.








Well Phil there's nothing natural, suspected or questioned, it is happening. I can even explain why players don't complain too much about it, you hit and see more royal flushes at this casino than you will at ANY other casino I have played in during my 23 year history. In four years time I hit a total of 13 royals there, 4 of them were dealt. I can't remember how many straight flushes I hit but it was a lot. In all my 23 years play at other casinos I hit a total of 8 royals, 2 dealt and one when I discarded all 5 cards. I can't begin to guess how many royals I saw at the casino where the four to the flush off the deal happens above average. At one time there was even a billboard advertising the royal flush at that casino. The difference is there, it's clear and right in your face so there is no denying that it does exist. I could go in that casino today and the same exact thing would happen, I could go over to the progressive vp machines and it goes away. Best I can remember on average a player should see 4 to the flush off the deal 1 out of every 36 hands and convert to the flush around 1 every 5. I honestly believe that the machines are set up in some way to deliver that hand above average and hold back on the amount of times it is converted to a flush to build up the bank so more royals can be delivered at no cost to them. It's so odd and predictable, you get dealt four to the flush three maybe four times, don't convert, play a few hands and you get 2 or three in a row, don't convert then you're dealt a flush, play a few more hands and miss a couple more then you finally convert one to a flush, after that it starts the whole scenario over again. But what do I know, I've only played probably 500K hands there and that's probably considered to small a sample size. I'm not really complaining about it happening I'm just pointing out that it is different.

[ko king]

Quad coming!




Geez, I used to love riding my four wheelers, kept them tore up all the time and had plenty of bumps and bruises myself.

[onemoretry]

I wasn't sure about the amount of hands I had played both times so I had to estimate based on the average amount of hands I usually play in an hour. On one occasion I had played just under 4 hours and averaged 11 per hour. On that day I received 44 dealt 4 to the flush off the deal, I converted 1 out of every 8 to the flush.
You have indicated you play reasonably fast. Assuming that equates to, say 800 hands per hour, you played 3200 hands in the four hours. Forty-four dealt four flushes represents a frequency of about 1 per 73.

To me, that is not an excessive number of dealt four flushes. In fact, it seems a bit on the low side.

Why do you think otherwise?

[daily_double]

Geez, I used to love riding my four wheelers, kept them tore up all the time and had plenty of bumps and bruises myself.

I am an old guy, I had 3 wheelers( now outlawed ) Honda ATC's . Lots of fun for sure. One thing I never hear you guys talk about is your own accuracy level . Nobody ever says they can practice for 2 hours a day, every day @ 100% accuracy then come here and complain that the games are suspicious. I don't buy the conspiracy stuff. Just saying, not trying to start anything. You need to play 100% perfect to get the long term payout for the games you play.

[EDC1977]

Classic Eduardo!

Phil: I don't know how you sense a quad coming but I'm envious if you can!