Strategy depends on the machine?..

[Grouchy]

I took some of the posters' advice and purchased VPW. Now I'm more confused than ever.
When playing super aces bonus on  the 3/5/10 play machine and you're dealt 5d, 5h, Ac, 9c, Jd on the first line, the correct hold is the pair of 5's.
 
But, when dealt the same hand of super aces bonus on the first line of Multi Strike, the correct hold is the Ace and Jack???
 
Time to start drinking again.
 
Grouchy
 

[Eduardo]

I'm not sure but maybe MultiStrike is different since you bet more on the first line and don't get as much back until you get higher up. So the payout isn't the same ratio as on a normal game. That could mean on the first line the strategy might weigh in favor of plays that are more likely to get you to the next line instead of just the average payout? If that was the case it might be even more complicated than you think because it could be not only different plays for different games, but different plays based on what line you are on.  Could that be?
 
That's the only guess I have.  I haven't played it much to know but I'm sure some people here have.

[jc2321]

Help!!




I bought VPW and am learning a lot.
 
What I dont understand is why the ACE seems to have less value than
J,K,Q.  Whenever I have a two card combo with either J,Q,K but also save the ACE I get the dreaded "major error"
I see the math but I dont "get it". Why shouldnt I save the ACE? 

[Eduardo]

Hey that is one I think I know.  I think it is because of the chances at a straight.  The ace is a dead-end but the other face cards leave the ends open for drawing into a straight.
 
If you hold QK then you can get a straight of 9 10 J Q K or 10 J Q K A
 
If you hold KA then you can only get a straight of 10 J Q K A
 
 

[shadowman]

Right you are Eduardo. I don't have VPW but all the other tutors have a method of analyzing any hand. It then breaks down the winning hands for each hold. In the case above you should a difference in the number of straights.
 
You are also right about multi-strike. Each line may have a different strategy. On the lower lines you often give back a little bit in order to get to the higher lines that have better paybacks. In the example above the ace and jack have more winning combinations. There was an aritcle about this a couple of years ago by Bob Dancer that provided a way of changing the paytables for a game in winpoker to simulate this effect. 

[BOOPSAHOY]

good call eduardo! And addressing the first question in multistrike the objective on the first line is just to get to the 2nd line, not necessarily getting the biggest win possible. So sometimes the right move is to discard a pair and keep 2 face cards. You really need VPFW to see this strategy.

[MikeA]

good call eduardo! And addressing the first question in multistrike the objective on the first line is just to get to the 2nd line, not necessarily getting the biggest win possible. So sometimes the right move is to discard a pair and keep 2 face cards. You really need VPFW to see this strategy.I've not tried to memorize this strategy but recall looking at it.  It gets pretty complex with the multiple lines due to the progressive multipliers.

[TEXACO]

  BOB DANCER HAD WRITTEN IN HIS COLUMN'S OF JUNE 10TH AND 17TH IN 2003 ABOUT THE PROPER STRATEGY FOR PLAYING MULTI-STRIKE. IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE HARDEST OF ALL V-P GAMES TO PLAY AT PERFECT PLAY. YES YOU DO PLAY ESPECIALLY THE 1ST AND 2ND LINES WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF MOVING UP OR YOU WILL FIND THE PAY BACK LESS THAN DESIREABLE. I BELIEVE IT HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROFIT GENERATOR'S FOR THE CASINO'S AS VERY FEW PLAYERS KNOW THE CORRECT STRATEGY.

[jc2321]

Thank-You
You taught me something today.
I naively thought a straight could 'wrap' so if you had a K,A then drew 2,3,4 it would still be a straight. Bottom line is now I 'get it" thank-You.

[vpguy3]

The consensus here on multi-strike is correct. I have tried to "master" it and the strategy is indeed very difficult, especially if you compare your plays to JOB or DDB. Bottom line is go for the next line up to the third level and then the strategy seems to be more consistent with other games especially with multi-strike DDB. Tough one to play correctly but great pots are possible especially on third and fourth level.bring a good bankroll. Good luck!!