Question on big payouts in bars.

[Chicagoan]

[quote=BobDancer]If you don't want negative comments from me, stay out of my face!When I read about your recent $100,000 win, I could almost hear players all over the country riffling through their dresser drawers searching for their players card.  You and the gambling industry have the most incredible synergy.  They let you play huge stakes knowing you have the advantage, you hit big jackpots and tell everyone on the planet how and where you did it and the players flock in trying to duplicate your results.  Then, you tell everyone that looses they don't have the intelligence, skill or discipline to do what you do.  This is like waving a red flag in front of a bull and they charge back for even bigger loses. That's the real Dancer strategy and it's working perfectly.

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Florida Phil, you got it about right. This guy has been proclaiming his big jackpots for years without posting photos that I am aware of. Despite being a so-called top-ranked advantage player the casinos love him and SP actually has him teaching classes in how to beat the casinos. Meanwhile he makes money on the side selling training programs that help you beat the casinos, and the casinos still love him. And in his free time he writes columns telling you how to beat the casinos and the casinos still love him. Does it ever occur to any VP players to sit back and scratch their heads at this? The guy who developed Word for Windows went into a Vegas casino and hit a huge jackpot and got a lifetime ban. Casinos are in business to make money, not to enhance your happiness.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Chicagoan]Casinos are in business to make money, not to enhance your happiness.[/quote]Bob may think differently, but I am not among the Dancer haters.   Bob has done well for himself.  He's a professional shill for the gambling industry and a damned good one.  His profits are real, but the majority of it doesn't come from banging away at a video poker machine.   His video poker strategies are based on sound logic, but he minimizes the affect pure luck has on the game and exaggerates his skill and intellect.   No one can prove which one is more influential and he likes it that way.   I say listen to his advice, learn from his posts, take whatever knowledge he is willing to give, but don't get too caught up in his claims. 

[Chicagoan]

I don't hate anyone.

"I hate broccoli but I don't hate people. ---George H.W. Bush

[BobDancer]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]

 The guy who developed Word for Windows went into a Vegas casino and hit a huge jackpot and got a lifetime ban. Casinos are in business to make money, not to enhance your happiness.
The man you are talking about is Richard Brodie.Yes Harrah's (since name-changed to Caesars Entertainment) overreacted and banned him, including at WSOP events. Later they rethought their position and he is now welcome to play there.

[BobDancer]

  He's a professional shill for the gambling industry and a damned good one.  His profits are real, but the majority of it doesn't come from bang ing away at a video poker machine.   His video poker strategies are based on sound logic, but he minimizes the affect pure luck has on the game and exaggerates his skill and intellect.   No one can prove which one is more influential and he likes it that way.   I say listen to his advice, learn from his posts, take whatever knowledge he is willing to give, but don't get too caught up in his claims. 

Most of FP's speculation is pretty far off. He doesn't know me and doesn't appear to be capable of understanding. He basically keeps repeating his beliefs over and over again --- with little or no evidence. Tell you what. Why don't you have Webman set up a contest between FP and myself? Whoever loses stays away from here for six months.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BobDancer]Tell you what. Why don't you have Webman set up a contest
between FP and myself? Whoever loses stays away from here for six
months.[/quote]Interesting... What do you propose?  

[DrawingDead]

I am not sure if jealousy is playing into FP's comments or anyone else's. If you have the bankroll to go for the big money payouts then I hope it works out for the players who do it. I have lived in Vegas for 15 years now. My biggest year total was winning $110k on single line VP playing $1 and higher denom over a 6 month period. Most of the hand pays at Green Valley Ranch.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DrawingDead]I am not sure if jealousy is playing into FP's comments or anyone else's.[/quote]I am not disputing the possibility that a player can hit big jackpots playing video poker, that's obvious.   I am also not disputing the fact that professional gamblers exist and survive.  However, when someone states over and over again that they make six figures a year for years on end playing video poker alone, I'm skeptical.  Do you think anyone who could do that would sell the information for $50 a pop or write it in a book to sell on Amazon?When that same person claims to consistently hit up casinos for big bucks while they sit idly by and let him do it,  I have serious doubts.  If they do, they're getting something in return and marking his wins up as an advertising expense.Finally, when that same video poker millionaire who promotes big video poker wagers gives free training classes to rookies on how to beat the same casinos, he loses all credibility.   You decide...

[daily_double]

However, when someone states over and over again that they make six figures a year for years on end playing video poker alone, I'm skeptical.  Do you think anyone who could do that would sell the information for $50 a pop or write it in a book to sell on Amazon?When that same person claims to consistently hit up casinos for big bucks while they sit idly by and let him do it,  I have serious doubts.  If they do, they're getting something in return and marking his wins up as an advertising expense.Finally, when that same video poker millionaire who promotes big video poker wagers gives free training classes to rookies on how to beat the same casinos, he loses all credibility.   You decide...


Dancer never states anything over and over again, you do. He also never claims he wins by playing video poker alone , you give that misinformation here. It's exploiting casino promotions and slot clubs that put him over the top. Just a couple months ago you admitted here you didn't know that's how its done. Remember ? Mr. Video Poker Master, doesn't even know one of the basic principles of gambling for profit with video poker. I am not going to try and dig it up because it would be futile. You are just plain stubborn. You think you can reinvent the wheel. Video poker game variations have been solved for decades. You can't change that . There are a few other things you can change but its clearly pointless to repeat them to you. Your mind can't grasp the concepts.

The advertising on Dancers products is no different than the advertising that comes with any book, magazine, software, or whatever. Looking at his book VPW, it makes none of the outrageous claims that you insist are made. The Winners Guide's I have in front of me make no outrageous claims either. You know what the Winner's Guides are ? I seriously doubt it.

I joined this site a few years ago to try to improve myself. I subscribed to Gold about 13-14 months ago , mainly because Dancer was a contributor and I wanted to support the site because of that. I canceled the subscription 4 months early because of the lack of moderation here. In plain English, I canceled because your BS, bad advice, and misinformation is allowed anywhere and everywhere. You have posted many things that are dangerous to a new player coming on board. So that was my protest action. Besides Dancer, there are a few other guys / gals that are great sources of information and insight that contribute greatly to the forums. You sir, are definitely not one of them.

[BobDancer]

[quote=BobDancer]Tell you what. Why don't you have Webman set up a contest
between FP and myself? Whoever loses stays away from here for six
months.Interesting... What do you propose?  

[/QUOTE]One reasonable method would be to play a certain number of hands --- winner continues, loser shuts up for six months. We could do it on any pay schedule. We could even have it on one-coin-at-a-time so you could use the "valuable" information you picked up studying for your CS.Another reasonable method would be to have members on this site vote for the following:               Who would you rather not post on this site, under any name, for the next six months?                           a.   Florida Phil                           b.   Bob Dancer              I'd be willing to abide by the results of either