Question on big payouts in bars.

[billryan]

When you say you play with nearly perfect strategy, are you certain of that? I ask because I generally find when a person is so "unlucky", its often because of a flaw in their game they are unaware of.
Last year, I was approached by a friend of a friend who claimed that despite great blackjack skills it wasn't translating into real life money. We went over a few drills and he did seem to have his game down pat. Then I gave him a 300 hand real time test, examined the results and gave him another 300 hands, based on his perceived weakness from the first bunch. Turned out he had a rather glaring hole in his game that wasn't obvious until a light was shone on it. In a nutshell, there was a situation where he was betting too much, and then betting too little in another. Just enough to change a very slight positive game into a slight negative game.
In your case, does near perfect mean you play 99.6% of hands correct? 95%?

[Galeygoo]

Vman.......excellent post.    often you swoop in during heated discussions and quell the flames with sound, simple logic combined with simply knowing what the Flip you are talking about......well done.

I'm a big fan of VMAN myself.  As I enjoy and am impressed with the knowledge and thoughts of many; I can't decide whether VMAN'S greatest talent is his mathematical or story telling talents.  I'll just continue to enjoy and learn from both. 

[notes1]

sorry, but you are both wrong. Vman best attribute is not his math or story telling. it is he likes to drink beer, drink a lot of it and not afraid to admit it. bravo, honesty! don't think i have ever read one of his travel posts, where there were not more pictures of beer, than anything else. now, if he would just include some great looking gals, it would be perfect.

[Vman96]

sorry, but you are both wrong. Vman best attribute is not his math or story telling. it is he likes to drink beer, drink a lot of it and not afraid to admit it. bravo, honesty! don't think i have ever read one of his travel posts, where there were not more pictures of beer, than anything else. now, if he would just include some great looking gals, it would be perfect.

Haha...well, I would have to be a bit of a "creeper" to take pics of good looking women at random.    But thanks everybody!

[DaBurglar]

Does CAPIALIZING certain WORDS make them SPECial?
If only half the word is CAPITALIZED, should WE pay half as much ATTENTION?
   In twenty years, I've never met a professional baccarat player and the few professional craps players I know are pretty much cheats. Unless one wants to believe dice control is something an average person can master, which I'm highly dubious of. I see you left poker off your list. when I am capitalizing words in the midst of my statements and paragraphs it is simply for emphasis..........did you seriously NOT grasp that?     I admit, it is simply my own style of writing and communicating via this forum, which is not a Expository writing vehicle, but simply what I just said.....a COMMUNICATION vehicle.    Hence, these threads and the posts contained within them are really a type of written, cyber conversation, which is why other people tend to utilize abbreviations and other shorthand or accepted cyber terminology when making their posts.     The important thing is simply to get your point(s) across with the desired emphasis......I use CAPS on certain terms and in certain places when posting.      If it bothers you a lot, all I can say is........TWO Eyes, Two ears, Two Nostrils.........TOO BAD.     But I will give you credit for pointing out I left Live Poker (whether it is N/L Holdem, Omaha, 7-stud, or tournaments & Sit-n-goes) off the list of games that, while potentially "positive expectation",  require proper management of a bankroll that is adequately large and secure, if a person intends on trying to earn a "living" playing it in casinos.......I did not intentionally leave it off, nor did I forget....I just stopped before listing it.....     but Thanks for pointing this out........I will say, as it should be OBVIOUS to any experienced knowledgeable player, that POKER is significantly different from other forms (and games) of gambling, such as Blackjack and Craps and Video Poker, when discussing it in terms of playing it  "Professionally" and properly managing the adequately large bankroll.Quite simply, Poker is a game in which SKILL, strategy and other components of the game are in the control of the player to a much larger degree than other games/forms of gambling......in other words, LUCK and Variance are not nearly as extreme or prolific in a professional poker player's life as it is in a Black jack, or even video poker players life.

[DaBurglar]

sorry, but you are both wrong. Vman best attribute is not his math or story telling. it is he likes to drink beer, drink a lot of it and not afraid to admit it. bravo, honesty! don't think i have ever read one of his travel posts, where there were not more pictures of beer, than anything else. now, if he would just include some great looking gals, it would be perfect.I guess I cannot argue with this point......nothing tops top quality brew and discussing said top quality brew.......seeing as how I do not partake much anymore, for fear of being pulled over in the casinos for W.W.I  (wheeling while intoxicated......har har yuk yuk giggle snort), I live vicriously through Vmans  Beer-centric stories.   

[olds442jetaway]

When you say you play with nearly perfect strategy, are you certain of that? I ask because I generally find when a person is so "unlucky", its often because of a flaw in their game they are unaware of.
Last year, I was approached by a friend of a friend who claimed that despite great blackjack skills it wasn't translating into real life money. We went over a few drills and he did seem to have his game down pat. Then I gave him a 300 hand real time test, examined the results and gave him another 300 hands, based on his perceived weakness from the first bunch. Turned out he had a rather glaring hole in his game that wasn't obvious until a light was shone on it. In a nutshell, there was a situation where he was betting too much, and then betting too little in another. Just enough to change a very slight positive game into a slight negative game.
In your case, does near perfect mean you play 99.6% of hands correct? 95%?

      My mistakes are so minimal on job and deuces as to probably account for about a tenth of a percent. Most of those are due to playing too fast or sticky buttons on job. On deuces wild, I will admit to being stubborn on a few hands like once in awhile not holding 2 to a Royal, but again the percentage error in a session would be miniscule. I also practice all the time on Wolf vp which even Bob D says is a very good free program for practice. No, unfortunately, my poor returns are directly related to the lack of Royals accounting for close to 2 percent of total coin in. Total coin in is in the 1.8-2m range for the 1m hands played period. I don't always play just 5 quarters a hand. I probably lose about .7% or so on my total return due to paytable percentages and a few errors.
The remainder 1.8% or so comes from the lack of Royals. For instance, once in awhile I won't hold a suited jk in the deuces wild game. That error playing 5 quarters is only 14 cents. If I do that a half dozen times or so a session, it costs me a buck a day or only about 150 bucks for the year if I go 3 times a week.

[billryan]

Thanks for your well thought out reply.

[olds442jetaway]

Anytime, now if I can just get the rain cloud to go somewhere else or dry up........

[jsm2016]

From what I gather, a large bankroll relative to the denomination played and good bankroll management are important. Good information, thank you.N.B. Additional research gleaned the following data: a Not So Ugly Ducks game at the $1 level is a risky proposition with a bankroll of less than about $15k, with cash back in the    1 1/2% range. Additionally, a $1 "NSUD" progressive was spotted in the dusty corner of my local Tribal casino. And the Royal flush? Royal pays $9,300. Who will be the lucky one? And would you camp out there at that level of royalty?