dancer was right

[notes1]

we have had are disagreements, but it is only right to note when dancer is correct.

on another thread, that I cannot remember, I mentioned my offers at Cherokee had been dropping. I wondered whether it was due to CET bankruptcy or Cherokee just taking advantage of a loyal player. he suggested I walk away for a while and see what happens. i had stated i was going to do that anyway, but as he predicted, after a couple of months, my offers have gone up. on some days, the offers are double what they were.

[pav845]

Not to be mean, but just about everything Dancer said about VP is correct

[notes1]

Not to be mean, but just about everything Dancer said about VP is correct

i believe if someone gives advice, it works out, I should commend that person for that same advice. in my mind, not doing so would be mean.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=pav845]Not to be mean, but just about everything Dancer said about VP is correct[/quote]Bob Dancer is absolutely right when it comes to the world of "potentially profitable" video poker play.   His advice can be extremely valuable to average players as long as they understand what this means and don't attempt to mirror his methodologies without his skill or opportunities.

[FAA]

Nobody out hustles the master!

[DAAnMAAn]

I don't agree with Dancer 100%, but it's close. One disagreement is if players make 1 to 5 cent errors they can't possibly be winning players. I disagree but do agree that more serious errors such as saving a low pair versus 4 to a flush in job need to be corrected. Software is a must which we both agree to play optimumly.
Another disagreement is his strategies Are assumptions on infinite bankrolls and infinite time. Most players who two things are lacking. And the acknowledgment that different strategies may be beneficial for different types of players. Esp. On a budget or playing inferior pay tables.

[olds442jetaway]

I agree completely. In vp, we are always dealing with infinity. Those low errors I make myself as hunches from time to time add up to much less than I might tip the waitress for the day. Anything other that a few cents an error over the course of the session can really add up though long term even for us quarter players.

[jsm2016]

I agree with Dancer's advice regarding computer-perfect play. As a quarter player, a 1c to 5c mistake means 0.80% to 4.00% off the return. This is like giving up the slot club and throwing away all my comps. Would my play be acceptable to Bob Dancer? Likely not, as I miss more than one in 1,000 hands. And he insists, at a minimum--a minimum--on three-nines accuracy.

[FloridaPhil]

Bob Dancer is a professional playing for profit alone who regularly wagers enough money where a 1% error over a year's time could buy an average house.  I don't think he cares what the game is or what he has to do as long as he turns a profit. Most players on this forum are recreational players, not professionals.  The way I see it, if you know and can play 100% correct strategy and make a conscience decision to do otherwise, it's doesn't make you any less of a player.  Personally, I would rather have more chances at a royal than a few more nickles in my bank account.

[Vman96]

I agree with Dancer's advice regarding computer-perfect play. As a quarter player, a 1c to 5c mistake means 0.80% to 4.00% off the return. This is like giving up the slot club and throwing away all my comps. Would my play be acceptable to Bob Dancer? Likely not, as I miss more than one in 1,000 hands. And he insists, at a minimum--a minimum--on three-nines accuracy.


But that's if you make that level of mistake on every hand! 95% of VP hands are obvious and zero mistakes should be made on them. It's the hands where big EV values are on the line (i.e. breaking Aces full on DDB), or when EV values are close is where most of the errors are made.

Three nines via overall return is a decent goal to have, but if a rec player has 99.7% or 99.8% accuracy by return, that's pretty good as well, imo. But I agree with DAAnMAAn, Bob pushes error free play too hard imo. If you somehow stumble across a machine has a payout of 102% (e.g. 9/6 JoB with a 2.5X royal), are you going to worry about smaller errors preventing you from being a winner? You could crunch the strategy if you have the availability, but if you don't when in the casino, wouldn't you just wing it and hope for the best? Even if you don't alter standard 9/6 JoB strategy, the game is still a long term winner.

Bob recently has posted on Wizard of Vegas, fyi. I dunno how much he plans to post there though.

As for the OP, I'm not shocked that Bob is correct here. Casinos should offer more to those that are clearly "not hooked" to playing.