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last 3 trips;
-one trip last month, harrahs AC, lost $1k
-2 weeks ago- tampa- lost another $1k
-yesterday- Cherokee- won $800
many may disagree, but I am pleased with results. got 75 hours of VP, 5 nights hotel, one free air, all the food I could eat. that is a lot of entertainment for $1200.
was playing DDB, dealt A/K/J of spades, another K and a throw away card. kept the pair of K (think that is correct), drew the Q and 10 of spades. had a sick feeling for a couple of hours.
have one concern. playing only single line, quarter, DDB and sometimes TDB, I have had more than my fair share of premium hands lately. in AC had over $4k in big wins and still lost a grand and at Cherokee, in limited play, had three $500 wins and a couple of $200/$100 and walked away with just $800. what happens when my luck changes?
last 3 trips/sick hand
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DAAnMAAn
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Variance, my friend. TDB and DDB are roller coaster rides where the high is high and the low is low and one can quickly go to one or the other. I hope your pay tables are decent for those games. Do u remember what the full house and flush pay for the games you are playing?
At any rate, this is normal stuff for those games, and you just have to understand that the deal with the devil on TDB and DDB is huge fluctuations.
I play a lot of 10/6 DDB quarter single line which is probably the best DDB table your going to find, and play usually 1-4 hr sessions. On this game, My worst session is -$900, my best is +1500...and everything in between.
I've had to mix it up and get off the roller coaster for less variant games like 9/6 jacks, 8/5 BP, or nsud or even fpdw. Except
For fpdw, not afraid to jack up the denominations too. Try $1 9/6 jacks or .50/$1 BP or nsud to take a breather from the roller coaster rides. Just once in a while.
Sometimes you might surprise yourself with a juicy Royal or two.
Cheers
At any rate, this is normal stuff for those games, and you just have to understand that the deal with the devil on TDB and DDB is huge fluctuations.
I play a lot of 10/6 DDB quarter single line which is probably the best DDB table your going to find, and play usually 1-4 hr sessions. On this game, My worst session is -$900, my best is +1500...and everything in between.
I've had to mix it up and get off the roller coaster for less variant games like 9/6 jacks, 8/5 BP, or nsud or even fpdw. Except
For fpdw, not afraid to jack up the denominations too. Try $1 9/6 jacks or .50/$1 BP or nsud to take a breather from the roller coaster rides. Just once in a while.
Sometimes you might surprise yourself with a juicy Royal or two.
Cheers
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notes1
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pay tables are not as good as you get in vegas.
for me, there are some things worse than variance. boredom from JOB, is one of them. not a fan of wild card games. just seems to me that the prolonged and frequently occurring dead periods occur more often than expected.
for me, there are some things worse than variance. boredom from JOB, is one of them. not a fan of wild card games. just seems to me that the prolonged and frequently occurring dead periods occur more often than expected.
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FloridaPhil
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[quote=notes1]just seems to me that the prolonged and frequently occurring dead periods occur more often than expected.
[/quote]As Detective Clueso would have said " The old video poker roller coaster trick". One week you're rolling in tokens and then you go dead for a month. I don't think I'll ever get used to it, but that seems to be the ways it goes. Still, if you factor in all the fun, comps and pure enjoyment of the game I think it's a decent bargain. I think most occasional players would be surprised to learn it could easily cost $10K a year to play quarters on a bad year. You can do the math on dollars and above. That's $800 a month or so. You could buy a nice boat for that, but you couldn't put gas in it. How about a nice car or one great vacation? Those things will never pay you to play on the good years. I don't drink and I don't smoke and I could easily spend $10K on that in a year. To each his own I guess.
[/quote]As Detective Clueso would have said " The old video poker roller coaster trick". One week you're rolling in tokens and then you go dead for a month. I don't think I'll ever get used to it, but that seems to be the ways it goes. Still, if you factor in all the fun, comps and pure enjoyment of the game I think it's a decent bargain. I think most occasional players would be surprised to learn it could easily cost $10K a year to play quarters on a bad year. You can do the math on dollars and above. That's $800 a month or so. You could buy a nice boat for that, but you couldn't put gas in it. How about a nice car or one great vacation? Those things will never pay you to play on the good years. I don't drink and I don't smoke and I could easily spend $10K on that in a year. To each his own I guess.
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DaBurglar
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last 3 trips;
-one trip last month, harrahs AC, lost $1k
-2 weeks ago- tampa- lost another $1k
-yesterday- Cherokee- won $800
many may disagree, but I am pleased with results. got 75 hours of VP, 5 nights hotel, one free air, all the food I could eat. that is a lot of entertainment for $1200.
While everyone can always find room for improvement, I see nothing wrong with these results! As you aptly point out, you received quite a lot of "BANG" (75 hours of VP, 5 nites, Air fare and FOOD FOOD FOOD) for your "BucKs" (roughly 1200 in the form of Video Poker losses......) The important (indeed the ONLY factor) here is this: DID YOU Truly enjoy yourself and feel you received the best value for your time and money!?!?!? That's the only question with which you need concern yourself here......
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Chicagoan
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last 3 trips;
-one trip last month, harrahs AC, lost $1k
-2 weeks ago- tampa- lost another $1k
-yesterday- Cherokee- won $800
If you are looking at just 3 trips, then anything can happen. For DDB and TDB, I have to look at months and months of results. If I lose $700 per trip for 6 trips and then I have a great run and win somewhere around $5000 or $6000, I am up. I have actually had this happen on many occasions. I would be even farther ahead if I could make myself leave at the correct point during the great runs, but who knows when that point really is? (What's in the next hand?)
So.....my goals are to stick to my budget on losing trips and to figure out when to stop on a winning trip. I'm not going to stand here like certain VP experts and pretend that I am ahead on VP alone, but I am not in bad shape, as long as I can look at it over months and months rather than becoming depressed about the results of 3 or 4 bad trips. It's not trips --- rather, it is total winnings minus total expense = profit during a given timeframe, preferably many months.
-one trip last month, harrahs AC, lost $1k
-2 weeks ago- tampa- lost another $1k
-yesterday- Cherokee- won $800
If you are looking at just 3 trips, then anything can happen. For DDB and TDB, I have to look at months and months of results. If I lose $700 per trip for 6 trips and then I have a great run and win somewhere around $5000 or $6000, I am up. I have actually had this happen on many occasions. I would be even farther ahead if I could make myself leave at the correct point during the great runs, but who knows when that point really is? (What's in the next hand?)
So.....my goals are to stick to my budget on losing trips and to figure out when to stop on a winning trip. I'm not going to stand here like certain VP experts and pretend that I am ahead on VP alone, but I am not in bad shape, as long as I can look at it over months and months rather than becoming depressed about the results of 3 or 4 bad trips. It's not trips --- rather, it is total winnings minus total expense = profit during a given timeframe, preferably many months.
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FloridaPhil
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[quote=Chicagoan]So.....my goals are to stick to my budget on losing trips and to figure out when to stop on a winning trip.[/quote]So true...
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notes1
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made a one night trip to tampa hard rock. played about 20 hours, got lucky, and won $700.
still down $500-600 total last 4 trips.
observation; I am a cig smoker, dumb habit, would never suggest anyone take it up. for those who have not been to tampa, it is a huge casino, one of the biggest I have been in. Wednesday afternoon it was very crowded, I could not find a machine to play, except in non smoking section. I play in either area, does not matter to me.
tampa actually has a large n/s area, with plenty of VP machines. as best I can tell, same odds and games, except no TDB, which tampa only has about 10 total machines. I like playing in the n/s section, hate being squeezed in on both sides. even the slot machines were empty.
so, I read lots of posts from n/s smokers, who hate being around the smell, don't blame them, I don't like being around drunks.
why were the machines almost completely empty in n/s and the machines in smoking, could not get a seat? just wondering?
still down $500-600 total last 4 trips.
observation; I am a cig smoker, dumb habit, would never suggest anyone take it up. for those who have not been to tampa, it is a huge casino, one of the biggest I have been in. Wednesday afternoon it was very crowded, I could not find a machine to play, except in non smoking section. I play in either area, does not matter to me.
tampa actually has a large n/s area, with plenty of VP machines. as best I can tell, same odds and games, except no TDB, which tampa only has about 10 total machines. I like playing in the n/s section, hate being squeezed in on both sides. even the slot machines were empty.
so, I read lots of posts from n/s smokers, who hate being around the smell, don't blame them, I don't like being around drunks.
why were the machines almost completely empty in n/s and the machines in smoking, could not get a seat? just wondering?
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FloridaPhil
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[quote=notes1]why were the machines almost completely empty in n/s and the machines in smoking, could not get a seat? just wondering?[/quote]Tampa just reshuffled most of the VP machines. Many of them were concentrated in the area now designated as nonsmoking. What they did was move all the sit down VP machines into the smoking area in the main casino. As many VP players are seniors this causes some a problem. I don't smoke but I can tolerate it unless the smoke is blowing right in my face or some idiot fires up a cigar. The odds on all the Tampa VP machines are the same. This is good for me as I like to walk around the entire casino which is quite large. The quarter VP odds in Hollywood are better, but you need to know where the good machines are located.
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notes1
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one night trip to Cherokee, got lucky, won $500. last 5 trips, about 80 hours of play, about $70k put thru the machines, close to breaking even. that is the best results I have had in years. I am due a big loss.
while playing, got a visit from a CET casino 'ambassador'. never heard of this before. if you do not qualify for a host (as a diamond, I do not), this is their way to make you feel important. they can't do anything for you, big deal.
he was not willing to say much, but did get him to admit that Cherokee had lost a number of big players to other casinos. cutting back on free play, reduced comps and difficulty for even 7* to get rooms, caused some to take their play elsewhere. he said they had all new management.
this is a great example of a business that had it good, decided to take advantage of customers and those customers would just keeping taking it. I have no sympathy for the casino/tribe, they are paying a price. just maybe, they will learn a lesson.
while playing, got a visit from a CET casino 'ambassador'. never heard of this before. if you do not qualify for a host (as a diamond, I do not), this is their way to make you feel important. they can't do anything for you, big deal.
he was not willing to say much, but did get him to admit that Cherokee had lost a number of big players to other casinos. cutting back on free play, reduced comps and difficulty for even 7* to get rooms, caused some to take their play elsewhere. he said they had all new management.
this is a great example of a business that had it good, decided to take advantage of customers and those customers would just keeping taking it. I have no sympathy for the casino/tribe, they are paying a price. just maybe, they will learn a lesson.
