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[FAA]

meet up with ANY player in AC and personally take them to
any one of numerous machines I know to be "suspect",  in several casinos
(TAJ, Resorts, Golden Nugget and one of the CET properties)
and demonstrate.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That answers my question. You still think Resorts is a money pit at which you happened to get lucky, as I figured. I should take a half hour there soon to just monitor one player on the simplest game, JOB, and see what happens. Only way that I would ever consider playing there. Taj and GN I have written off altogether. Harrah's I'd give another shot. Caesars and Bally's, only full pay dollars. With quarters I'll be waiting hours for a quad the way it's gone for months. Borgata, at least I can lose in style.

[JT]

   My question remains - unanswered.

As does mine. If I have some sort of private message, I don't see it.

Regardless, not sure why a question asked in public would need to be answered in private.

My sole point is, you can try and spin the issue by prattling on about "expectations" all you want -- either the machines are set to be random according to a 53 card draw and paytable alone determines casino hold percentage (as the explicit letter of NJ law states), or the machines are not truly random and have some other kind of nefarious programming. It's one or the other.

Please, spare me the false dichotomy explanations about how they can still be "random" and not card-draw dependent. We've read it all from you for years and it's a bunch of horse hockey.

If you truly believe that AC VP is comprised of bad machines with higher dud percentages, non-random programming, and done illegally without adequate regulatory oversight by the state, and yet you still travel a significant distance to play at that destination and put any money at risk in those machines, then either you're (a) a hypocrite, (b) a crank who has some other axe to grind, or (c) a fool.

Or "D," all of the above.

I don't know how you stand the cognitive dissonance, honestly.

Thank you, drive through.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=Tedlark]   My question remains - unanswered.

As does mine. If I have some sort of private message, I don't see it.

Regardless, not sure why a question asked in public would need to be answered in private.

My sole point is, you can try and spin the issue by prattling on about "expectations" all you want -- either the machines are set to be random according to a 53 card draw and paytable alone determines casino hold percentage (as the explicit letter of NJ law states), or the machines are not truly random and have some other kind of nefarious programming. It's one or the other.

Please, spare me the false dichotomy explanations about how they can still be "random" and not card-draw dependent. We've read it all from you for years and it's a bunch of horse hockey.

If you truly believe that AC VP is comprised of bad machines with higher dud percentages, non-random programming, and done illegally without adequate regulatory oversight by the state, and yet you still travel a significant distance to play at that destination and put any money at risk in those machines, then either you're (a) a hypocrite, (b) a crank who has some other axe to grind, or (c) a fool.

Or "D," all of the above.

I don't know how you stand the cognitive dissonance, honestly.

Thank you, drive through. [/QUOTE]It is pretty obvious that YOU do in fact believe that AC games are ALL completely and totally the same as Nevada Video Poker, which is to say EXACTLY like us experienced Video poker players Assume them always to be, CORRECT?I've actually answered your questions about how and why and in what way  I am able to do what I do, including receive this latest "batch" of premium hits  even though I have had doubts/suspicions about AC video poker since 2011 or so...... (I REALLY HAVE, my response(S) above clearly address the issue/question you keep asking, though probably not in the style you want)......so just answer mine above, about WHAT you think/believe and then i can possibly respond and expand on that, etc.    Then I think I can put this issue to rest finally.   EDITED to ADD:   I cannot respond to you privately like I previously mentioned because as it turns out you are not GOLD on this site......no big deal, a WHOLE slew of the more prominent well known posters in this forum ALSO are NOT gold;  I myself have been gold on and off a few times, and no matter WHAT status I am or choose, the other poster (your echo/shadow) in this discussion finds something to criticize about it.....And I only proposed to Private Message you because your Echo/shadow gleefully jumped the gun, as well as co-opted your own post, and wanted me to respond "RIGHT AWAY"......I sought to deny him the satisfaction, that's all.   Unlike you, his only purpose here is to annoy and harass me.......

[JT]

It is pretty obvious that YOU do in fact believe that AC games are ALL completely and totally the same as Nevada Video Poker, which is to say EXACTLY like us experienced Video poker players Assume them always to be, CORRECT?I didn't say anything of the sort.  In fact, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, in that you certainly believe it not to be the case.I just can't begin to understand why, given that belief, you'd continue to patronize those establishments.  As to me answering that question specifically, words like  "ALL" and "EXACTLY" and such render these kinds of questions rather nugatory.   But I do give the benefit of the doubt to the casinos, that they are generally honest games.  I don't disbelieve or believe you -- but (as they might say at Haaahvahd) you lack probata as to your allegata.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and the burden is yours.

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar if I may, can I ask you a serious question? Was the elementary school you attended when you were a little DaBurglar tot regularly checked for lead?

Just wondering.

[DaBurglar]

 
I didn't say anything of the sort.  In fact, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, in that you certainly believe it not to be the case.I just can't begin to understand why, given that belief, you'd continue to patronize those establishments.  As to me answering that question specifically, words like  "ALL" and "EXACTLY" and such render these kinds of questions rather nugatory.   But I do give the benefit of the doubt to the casinos, that they are generally honest games.  I don't disbelieve or believe you -- but (as they might say at Haaahvahd) you lack probata as to your allegata.  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and the burden is yours.
I feel like just telling you to go back and search all my posts since 2011 (or so) and find the numerous times where I stated that this is all MY OPINION and my PERCEPTION/Conclusion based an MY personal results, research and analysis.   And I still hold out it is simply my opinion.......seriously, people like you and the other troll here are the ones who have crammed the discussion into a black or white, un-nuanced  issue.I've explained many times WHY I still frequent AC despite my opinion about SOME of their Video poker and casinos......if you really need to know that badly I invite you to either research my past posts, or simply have Trollark send you a cliffnotes version of his "Da Burglar file" (he really has one, trust me.)I'll help you with a few basic tidbits as to why and how and what, etc:   1)  Even Rigged machines spit out winning hands/results.....and I only use the word "rigged" for semantic reasons since that is your simplistic way of summing up what I have been saying about my AC video poker experience.   If Some of AC's VP machines are set to pay well below the displayed paytable rates of 97% and up, say 88-90%, they STILL will spit out winning hands.....2)  The vast majority of my VP results from 2011 to 2016 have been bad in a statistically ABNORMAL manner (far outside expected normative ranges); hence MY personal perception and conclusion;   I only have experienced recent success the last 3 trips, which has been almost as unusual as the previous lack of success, although I still finished slightly down the last trip.3)   The last year and a half my OVERALL VP play has been almost exactly 50% LESS than it was the period of 2011 to 2014.........the majority of my focus has been on playing LIVE poker tournaments and cash games since late 2014........THIS is the most relevant response to all your criticism and disdain for my action(s).......I have also slightly REDUCED my frequency of visits to AC......even with a 50% reduction I still can allot roughly 1500 bucks a visit to VP if and when I want, and I have done so;   One primary reason is simply to keep a specific level of comps coming in, free rooms, food, play etc.    This allows me to simply book rooms when i want without hassle etc.    My Live Poker play is still not significant enough to do this, and probably never will be, hence my need to always play a minimum amount of VP.As to Cognitive Dissonance......congrats on being the only other forum member here who knows what it means, and how it applies........

[DaBurglar]

DaBurglar if I may, can I ask you a serious question? Was the elementary school you attended when you were a little DaBurglar tot regularly checked for lead?

Just wondering.You are totally oblivious to just how friggin weird, and creepy you truly are.......

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar you have not always stated this was "YOUR OPINION OR YOUR PERCEPTION." I capitalized the words because you did.

You have also said that you had, and I only use the word "inside information" for semantic reasons because you did. This "inside information" was given to you by a whole host of Atlantic City gaming insiders ranging from members of the cleaning crew to slot attendants, restroom valets to vehicle parking valets, members of the grounds keeping crew to disgruntled ex-casino workers.

Many times you wrote of visiting the gaming office on Pennsylvania Ave but what ever came of those visits? Have you given up on your vision quest to blow the lid off the Atlantic City rigged video poker machine scandal?

A couple years ago you also posted that you were DONE with video poker in Atlantic City and you were raving about how you were working to vastly improve your live poker skills and concentrate on live poker. So; your last couple trips to Atlantic City have resulted in profits from playing video poker and losing sessions in live poker. Are you now going to increase your video poker play and decrease your live poker play?

[jetermacaw]

JT: I will give you my perception on what goes on at Harrahs AC. I'm a weekly visitor I have been witness to some interesting experiences. I do not think the games are "rigged", I would say that they are some how controlled. On one occasion I was playing one of 4 Super Triple Play machines, all 4 machines hit 4 oak, with 2 being dealt, at the same time the 2 progressive games in the area both hit ,as well as 2-3 hand pays in Diamond Cove. All of this happened at the exact same time. Lucky for us who were playing lol. This to me is not variance in the form we all know. I'm not a computer expert at all but in a server based system it seems ( to me) that pay outs can be controlled. Back to the Super Triple Play machines, I play the same game with the same denominations, I have experienced days when I hit between 20-30 4 oak, and days when I literally don't get one. Is that variance, I don't know but I don't think so. That is why when I go if I'm up and things are looking good I stop. When I'm see I'm losing I stop because it doesn't turn around. I return the next week and hope the needle is pointed to the right a little.

[Tedlark]

jeter the machine's rng does not know what denomination a person is playing at. I too, have witnessed some oddities while playing in a casino and I still believe that everything is above board. Granted though; I'm not playing at "Big Bill's Casino" in Primm Nevada while on my way out of Las Vegas. Last weekend at Hollywood Casino in Joliet, IL I was lucky to hit several premium hands when playing at the $1.00 and $2.00 denominations. I also hit a couple at my normal .25 denomination.