AC Pics (I hope)

[FAA]

I would concur with the controlled hypothesis. If I get another RF this year I may not care as much since I'd finish 2016 comfortably ahead. But my last three visits have battered me.

[JT]

<munching popcorn>I get a kick that I strike so many nerves......given that the last three times I have been to AC I have had just about the best success of my 7 years in AC, this would actually be the BEST time to forget video poker and maybe AC altogether......with the Taj closing, the only casinos left are not exactly my favorites and almost half of them are CET properties.....I just love how batturd crazy some people get when you EVEN suggest that Casinos might not be 100% honest......its laughable given that just about EVERYSINGLE other human industry and endeavor and area of concern has been (or still is) influenced by, or the victim of CORRUPTION and other crimes.But not casinos huh?    Just NO WAY POSSIBLE, we all would certainly have heard about it huh?   Forget the fact that even a small scandal would greatly affect such a business and therefore the motivation for secrecy and coverup is probably GREATEST in this industry than any other......You can cherry pick all the things I have posted and said since 2011, go ahead......I find it a hoot that I can motivate and inspire such emotional lunacy.But in my gut I KNOW that things in AC casinos are NOT on the same level or terms of integrity as Las Vegas or Reno or most other places with still competent, functional economies and oversight......and no nitpicking, ranting, stalking troll is going to tell me otherwise (of course, why would he want to anyway?)  

Funny how I'm a "troll" and "batturd crazy" because I simply questioned your motivation for returning to play games that you allege contain secondary programming, and then I called you on your OPINION when I asked for evidence.   You're entitled to an opinion, but you're not entitled to be incorrect.  You are, despite your protestations of your "OPINION," accusing the casinos in AC of violating the law and running games that are in direct violation of NJ casino statutes, which clearly specify that for video poker games, you must be able to discern the odds of winning from the shown paytable.   So whether you're calling it "rigged" or "non random" or "set to return below paytable expectation because they're nothing more than a slot machine" you're in fact claiming that every casino in AC is breaking the law. But the most egregious thing you've done to make your alma mater look bad, is how you take small amounts of logical criticism and start saying "YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAYS ALL AND EVERY CASINO GAME EVER IS LEGIT" and you should have learned that violates more than one of the classical fallacies of rhetoric.  Again -- I'm not saying you're wrong. I do not necessarily maintain that every game in the casino is honest.  But I do find it more than a bit odd that you're accusing an entire industry in this state of wrongdoing.  Given that, I'm just demanding some sort of evidence except your say-so, and the repeated claims that you talked to some unnamed low-level bureaucrat at the CCC office who claims to have corroborated your story.   If you recall, referencing a few years ago, I gave you the name, address, and telephone number of the CCC's chief counsel, and suggested you write a letter citing the exact regulation (which I also provided) and demanding an explanation.   Funny that I don't recall seeing your letter or her reply posted here.... Finally, I asked your motivation for continuing to play a non-random game.  The statement that "crooked games sometimes still pay off" is, simply put, silly.   You could, for example, play blackjack, and be fairly well assured that the outcome of the game is determined by the turn of the cards, and not by rigging (unless of course they're stacking the decks, which is pretty hard to do in a shoe game). But I guess then you wouldn't be able to rule this little forum fiefdom of yours by scaring a bunch of old ladies that Harrah's is taking their nickels unfairly. As to trolling -- as Emile Zola once famously said: j'accuse.   Contrary to your apparent complaining about it, responses of those like Tedlark's are exactly what you want.   I used to frequent this site a lot more regularly a few years ago.  I started coming back recently because I've been laid up for a while on disability, and frankly I was bored.  I note that you either instigate or finish most of the threads on this forum now, so it's pretty much devolved to "The DaBurglar Crooked Casino Hour."  I suppose that you've managed to drive away most of the other posters by continuing to beat this drum, and that you're enjoying being a middle-sized fish in a very small pond.   So yes, sir, without substantial evidence to support your claims, I think you're little more an attention-seeking troll who loves to roll around in your own rhetorical feces.   I shall leave you to your slop here, while I get back to playing. P.S. -- sorry if some of these words are too big, I only went to Penn, not Harvard, so I'm trying to dumb it down a little for you. 

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar my shoe size is 12 1/2, I've rarely tasted shoe leather and I do not eat popcorn.

If Penn alumni had egos they'd be Harvard Alumni instead.

[JT]

   If Penn alumni had egos they'd be Harvard Alumni instead.

Or they're Wharton alums.

[onemoretry]

One: I would say it this way, rigged would mean you have no chance of winning, controlled would be the amount that is won. Trust me this is just my theory with no way to prove anything, take for example they are monitoring the total handle of the day and if a certain number is obtained they can adjust the total % of winnings. Say 83% to 88%, this has nothing to do with pay schedules or variance. lol I said just my theory based on my observations.
To me, the results are either as random as is possible using a random number generator, and the game is legit, or it is not random, and is illegal in most, if not all, jurisdictions - there are no nuances of randomness.

[Vman96]

[QUOTE=jetermacaw] JT: I will give you my perception on what goes on at Harrahs AC. I'm a weekly visitor I have been witness to some interesting experiences. I do not think the games are "rigged", I would say that they are some how controlled. This statement intrigues me. The machines are not rigged, but "somehow controlled"? If "somehow controlled" isn't rigging, how would you define rigging? [/QUOTE]

If they are "controlled", then they are "rigged". VP machines are just supposed to spit out random cards from a standard poker deck at all times. Playing every week, you should occasionally see some "interesting" results though, especially if you also pay attention to others. Randomness does lead to significant hot/cold streaks but some of that is expected. If it was "controlled" then you probably notice even less variance to make people question things less.

As for this TR, I am a bit disappointed DaBurglar claimed he still lost after all these nice looking hits as I would rather we all win. But if the volume is high enough, then it will take a bunch of nice looking hands to stay ahead for a week, especially when playing ~97% units in most of those pics. If he was playing "full pay" machines and all the same big hits appeared, he would have likely been ahead a bit. But that's assuming you believe AC behaves like Vegas like I do.


[QUOTE=jetermacaw] One: I would say it this way, rigged would mean you have no chance of winning, controlled would be the amount that is won. Trust me this is just my theory with no way to prove anything, take for example they are monitoring the total handle of the day and if a certain number is obtained they can adjust the total % of winnings. Say 83% to 88%, this has nothing to do with pay schedules or variance. lol I said just my theory based on my observations.
To me, the results are either as random as is possible using a random number generator, and the game is legit, or it is not random, and is illegal in most, if not all, jurisdictions - there are no nuances of randomness.[/QUOTE]

This. So this.

[ko king]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar]<munching popcorn>I get a kick that I strike so many nerves......given that the last three times I have been to AC I have had just about the best success of my 7 years in AC, this would actually be the BEST time to forget video poker and maybe AC altogether......with the Taj closing, the only casinos left are not exactly my favorites and almost half of them are CET properties.....I just love how batturd crazy some people get when you EVEN suggest that Casinos might not be 100% honest......its laughable given that just about EVERYSINGLE other human industry and endeavor and area of concern has been (or still is) influenced by, or the victim of CORRUPTION and other crimes.But not casinos huh?    Just NO WAY POSSIBLE, we all would certainly have heard about it huh?   Forget the fact that even a small scandal would greatly affect such a business and therefore the motivation for secrecy and coverup is probably GREATEST in this industry than any other......You can cherry pick all the things I have posted and said since 2011, go ahead......I find it a hoot that I can motivate and inspire such emotional lunacy.But in my gut I KNOW that things in AC casinos are NOT on the same level or terms of integrity as Las Vegas or Reno or most other places with still competent, functional economies and oversight......and no nitpicking, ranting, stalking troll is going to tell me otherwise (of course, why would he want to anyway?)  

Funny how I'm a "troll" and "batturd crazy" because I simply questioned your motivation for returning to play games that you allege contain secondary programming, and then I called you on your OPINION when I asked for evidence.   You're entitled to an opinion, but you're not entitled to be incorrect.  You are, despite your protestations of your "OPINION," accusing the casinos in AC of violating the law and running games that are in direct violation of NJ casino statutes, which clearly specify that for video poker games, you must be able to discern the odds of winning from the shown paytable.   So whether you're calling it "rigged" or "non random" or "set to return below paytable expectation because they're nothing more than a slot machine" you're in fact claiming that every casino in AC is breaking the law. But the most egregious thing you've done to make your alma mater look bad, is how you take small amounts of logical criticism and start saying "YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAYS ALL AND EVERY CASINO GAME EVER IS LEGIT" and you should have learned that violates more than one of the classical fallacies of rhetoric.  Again -- I'm not saying you're wrong. I do not necessarily maintain that every game in the casino is honest.  But I do find it more than a bit odd that you're accusing an entire industry in this state of wrongdoing.  Given that, I'm just demanding some sort of evidence except your say-so, and the repeated claims that you talked to some unnamed low-level bureaucrat at the CCC office who claims to have corroborated your story.   If you recall, referencing a few years ago, I gave you the name, address, and telephone number of the CCC's chief counsel, and suggested you write a letter citing the exact regulation (which I also provided) and demanding an explanation.   Funny that I don't recall seeing your letter or her reply posted here.... Finally, I asked your motivation for continuing to play a non-random game.  The statement that "crooked games sometimes still pay off" is, simply put, silly.   You could, for example, play blackjack, and be fairly well assured that the outcome of the game is determined by the turn of the cards, and not by rigging (unless of course they're stacking the decks, which is pretty hard to do in a shoe game). But I guess then you wouldn't be able to rule this little forum fiefdom of yours by scaring a bunch of old ladies that Harrah's is taking their nickels unfairly. As to trolling -- as Emile Zola once famously said: j'accuse.   Contrary to your apparent complaining about it, responses of those like Tedlark's are exactly what you want.   I used to frequent this site a lot more regularly a few years ago.  I started coming back recently because I've been laid up for a while on disability, and frankly I was bored.  I note that you either instigate or finish most of the threads on this forum now, so it's pretty much devolved to "The DaBurglar Crooked Casino Hour."  I suppose that you've managed to drive away most of the other posters by continuing to beat this drum, and that you're enjoying being a middle-sized fish in a very small pond.   So yes, sir, without substantial evidence to support your claims, I think you're little more an attention-seeking troll who loves to roll around in your own rhetorical feces.   I shall leave you to your slop here, while I get back to playing. P.S. -- sorry if some of these words are too big, I only went to Penn, not Harvard, so I'm trying to dumb it down a little for you.  [/QUOTE]


True story, I started playing at the newest casino in my area and had been playing $2 DDB always at max> After a few weeks of playing there and doing bad I ask a machine tech working on one of the machines beside me a question. My question to him, "is there anything other than the RNG that can determine or alter a players hand when it comes to jackpots or hand pays". The tech said, "yes, there is a secondary chip". That is a 100% true story, did he know what he was talking about, well I would hope not.

[FAA]

playing at the newest casino in my area and had been playing $2 DDB
always at max. After a few weeks of playing and doing bad I ask
a machine tech working on one of the machines beside me, "is there anything other than the RNG that can
determine or alter a players hand when it comes to jackpots or hand
pays". The tech said, "yes, there is a secondary chip". 100%
true story, did he know what he was talking about, well I hope
not.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum ... 9&PN=5Some secondary chip discussion, if you care to wade through the thread.

[onemoretry]

The tech said, "yes, there is a secondary chip". That is a 100% true story, did he know what he was talking about, My vote is "no".

[DaBurglar]

   Funny how I'm a "troll" and "batturd crazy" because I simply questioned your motivation for returning to play games that you allege contain secondary programming, and then I called you on your OPINION when I asked for evidence.   You're entitled to an opinion, but you're not entitled to be incorrect.  You are, despite your protestations of your "OPINION," accusing the casinos in AC of violating the law and running games that are in direct violation of NJ casino statutes, which clearly specify that for video poker games, you must be able to discern the odds of winning from the shown paytable.   So whether you're calling it "rigged" or "non random" or "set to return below paytable expectation because they're nothing more than a slot machine" you're in fact claiming that every casino in AC is breaking the law. But the most egregious thing you've done to make your alma mater look bad, is how you take small amounts of logical criticism and start saying "YOU MUST BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT SAYS ALL AND EVERY CASINO GAME EVER IS LEGIT" and you should have learned that violates more than one of the classical fallacies of rhetoric.  Again -- I'm not saying you're wrong. I do not necessarily maintain that every game in the casino is honest.  But I do find it more than a bit odd that you're accusing an entire industry in this state of wrongdoing.  Given that, I'm just demanding some sort of evidence except your say-so, and the repeated claims that you talked to some unnamed low-level bureaucrat at the CCC office who claims to have corroborated your story.   If you recall, referencing a few years ago, I gave you the name, address, and telephone number of the CCC's chief counsel, and suggested you write a letter citing the exact regulation (which I also provided) and demanding an explanation.   Funny that I don't recall seeing your letter or her reply posted here.... Finally, I asked your motivation for continuing to play a non-random game.  The statement that "crooked games sometimes still pay off" is, simply put, silly.   You could, for example, play blackjack, and be fairly well assured that the outcome of the game is determined by the turn of the cards, and not by rigging (unless of course they're stacking the decks, which is pretty hard to do in a shoe game). But I guess then you wouldn't be able to rule this little forum fiefdom of yours by scaring a bunch of old ladies that Harrah's is taking their nickels unfairly. As to trolling -- as Emile Zola once famously said: j'accuse.   Contrary to your apparent complaining about it, responses of those like Tedlark's are exactly what you want.   I used to frequent this site a lot more regularly a few years ago.  I started coming back recently because I've been laid up for a while on disability, and frankly I was bored.  I note that you either instigate or finish most of the threads on this forum now, so it's pretty much devolved to "The DaBurglar Crooked Casino Hour."  I suppose that you've managed to drive away most of the other posters by continuing to beat this drum, and that you're enjoying being a middle-sized fish in a very small pond.   I shall leave you to your slop here, while I get back to playing. P.S. -- sorry if some of these words are too big, I only went to Penn, not Harvard, so I'm trying to dumb it down a little for you.  :)I've been busy these last few days and just now read this reply......first, an FYI:  You are not the TROLL to which I refer, but the emotions and motivation behind your replies, especially this LAST one, are more bat turd crazy than they are not.......I DO appreciate your "dumbing down" your reply, that was considerate.....You win.....you are more intelligent, more controlled, and a better debater than myself, at least as far as this subject(s) is concerned .......(that is what you wished to hear, correct?  I cannot discern any other plausible motive behind this post of yours, especially since you plopped the highlighted in BLUE boldface, totally contradictory "concession" smack in the middle of your otherwise brilliant riposte)    Hyperbole is fine, but this crap about a "fiefdom", and calling the majority of the audience here on this forum a "bunch of scared old ladies losing their nickels...." was totally unneccessary (and obviously wrong)......if you are trying to be humorous, you simply are NOT that funny.   And this next statement of yours was just uncalled for and out of bounds:" I note that you either instigate or finish most of the threads on this
forum now, so it's pretty much devolved to "The DaBurglar Crooked Casino
Hour."  I suppose that you've managed to drive away most of the other
posters by continuing to beat this drum, and that you're enjoying being a
middle-sized fish in a very small pond. So yes, sir, without substantial evidence to support your claims, I
think you're little more an attention-seeking troll who loves to roll
around in your own rhetorical feces." This was where you stopped debating and let your true colors show.....whatever faults I may have, I am positive I posted nothing to (or directed at) you personally to warrant this above cited mean spirited, totally inaccurate dreck......and NO, I do NOT wish, or want, Tedlark's incessant, unyielding litany of totally absurd stalkerish replies to all of my posts......your powers of perception and discernment suck compared to your debate skills.     I admit, I have been ranting and raving for almost 5 years now about this subject of AC Video Poker not being like Nevada's (or other markets), and I have said and posted so many things on this topic, and replied to numerous other challenges and debates, that I no longer even remember all the things I stated or all the points I have made...... I can only say that, with all my posts, at the time of posting them, it was the current, relevant  "truth" in so far as I understood, knew or believed or experienced at the time.I do know I enjoy visiting the city of AC itself for MANY reasons that have little or nothing to do with video poker (funny how you never EVER consider or mention them)......I also do know my play results overall since 2011 are well outside of statistically normal parameters.....that's pretty much my personal basis for everything else I do or say on this topic, on this forum.   You can speculate and ponder and obsess all you want regarding "WHY" I do or say what i do, and WHY I still visit AC (again though, you exaggerate a lot of cherry picked points while simultaneously ignoring MANY other points that do not support your ......"attacks")......if this is due to your claim that you were recently injured and have nothing better to do, well that sucks, and I am sorry for your pain & suffering, truly.......but if you did indeed go to Wharton and you truly cannot find anything better to do or think about, that actually does not imply flattering qualities about you.  Either way, enjoy your triumph.....the fact that AC continues to erode and disintegrate though, does more to support my opinions, speculations and observations about the dysfunctionality, and possible malfeasance within the city itself and the STATE it resides within......One last thing.......MANY MANY years ago when I first joined this forum, I was debating a self absorbed poster who took it upon himself to boldly proclaim all his credentials on the subject of statistics, computers and numerous other ancillary topics, and essentially challenged me to match that.......it was then that I divulged that I happened to have graduated from Harvard....once it was dropped, the fallout from that first  "H bomb" persisted and was even used against me (albeit not in the elegantly, passive aggressive manner that you have attempted to facilitate your own Wharton torpedoe)    It is what it is, I am who I am, and anyone who knows me personally knows I am not some sniveling, self absorbed arrogant pr*ck who thinks he is better than everyone else.   In short, you don't know me any better than I know you......