Flip the Win switch back on!!

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DaBurglar]Anyone who has worked with or utilized a server based system (in ANY business or industry) knows the capabilities.....[/quote]In order to implement a network wide jackpot on and off switch, software would be required that would substitute the random dealing of the RNG with cards beneficial to the casino.  I'm pretty sure this could be detected by regulators.   However, just checking each individual chip for randomness may not detect it.    It would be interesting to have someone from a State regulating body tell us just how they check for that issue.

[Lucky Larry]

Regularly, when a machine hits a jackpot the 'Terminal Disabled' light comes on and the machine goes out of service about 15 minutes. I was told the State does this to review it. So there really is a switch even though it's hundreds of miles away. I'm not certain what capabilities it has but still interesting.

LQ, loved your follow up story. I'm curious about where the machines are that hit "Terminal Disabled" and shut down for 15 minutes. I've never seen that. I have sat by multi-hand players who play 100 hands 25¢ ($125/hand) VP and hit 4-5-6 hands pays in 30-40 minutes with no shut down other than lock up over $1,200 which is immediately released by the pay attendant. Perhaps that is the "Terminal Disabled" you are seeing. It gets really interesting watching these players. Several months ago a high roller who was playing $550/hand $1VPI sat down from me. A dealt flush or straight would lock up her machine. Being impatient she turned to the young guy on the machine next to her and offered $100 to play his machine while she waited for her pay out. This continued through several hand pays for about 30 minutes. Then she left to go back to the high limit area where she proceeded to assault the $100 slots.

Coushatta basically puts a Pay Attendant behind the player to immediately release the machine so the players can continue their coin-in assault. One frequent high roller always starts with a $1000 in the machine and holds a handful of $100's and all the tickets that cash out when the total reaches $1,600. So he may have 10-12 tickets before a hand pay. He then gives these "small TO's" to the pay attendant to create more $1000 tickets for his ease of play.

Another night one of the big hand players, who I know from Central Texas, played several hours beside me.   He was stuck on a 50 play instead of a 100 play machine. He had kept all of his over $1,600 kick out small tickets . When we both went up to cash out my tickets totaled around $1K and his were over $15K. This on top of at least another $15K in hand pays through the night.

Someday!!!! Only in my dreams.

[Lucky Larry]

At least the daughter has been bringing home our $$ with interest.

She's been on the hot streak with 3-4 hand pays on several of her recent trips and she only plays 10¢/25¢ or occasionally 50¢ Spin Poker depending on the bankroll from the night. Of course she makes sure she sends us a picture to help us through our current cold streak.

[DaBurglar]

[quote=DaBurglar]Anyone who has worked with or utilized a server based system (in ANY business or industry) knows the capabilities.....In order to implement a network wide jackpot on and off switch, software would be required that would substitute the random dealing of the RNG with cards beneficial to the casino.  I'm pretty sure this could be detected by regulators.   However, just checking each individual chip for randomness may not detect it.    It would be interesting to have someone from a State regulating body tell us just how they check for that issue.




[/QUOTE]Not to deliberately disagree with you PHIL (in fact I am enjoying your engaging responses in this thread and elsewhere), but what i am referencing and describing is a lot more complex and nuanced than what you described.......first off, do you have any personal experience with Server based systems and how they potentially can operate and the what thy provide to the end user in terms of utility and flexibility and all that?My final three years (2005 thru 2007) working for a global conglomerate in Packaging/Marketing/Industrial & Consumer Products, we operated a vast server based system that linked ALL distribution centers and divisions under one single rooftop (my office building in California) and allowed me to oversee the entire global organization, while also making the simplest of changes and adjustments  on the lowest of levels (such as being able to tweak the marketing operations/budgets/outlays of a single department in a single division in a country on the other side of the world amidst a total organization with dozens of divisions, etc.)    In short, servers allow an almost unlimited level of flexibility, control etc.      A casino can easily "tweak" a single terminal amidst a network of THOUSANDS .......I admit, i have never personally viewed the CET system in Atlantic City, although I do have a good understanding of it from simply observing and deducing based on what i previously learned and know from my own experience......and some of the employees I have casually spoken to at Caesars/Harrahs/Ballys  ACthe past couple years have added a little enlightment as well.AS for regulatory agencies in AC, you are by now well familiar with what I have shared about the current state and practice of "regulation & oversight" in AC.....but it would seem to me that  a server based system actually makes the job of regulators and auditors EASIER ........can you all intuitively grasp that or do I need to expound on that point?    Again, to clearly describe it........SERVER based Casino Gaming systems  actually can make the jobs/obligations of Gaming Regulators and Overseers and Auditors  SIGNIFICANTLY easier and more efficient than the old systems where each and every machine/game was a stand alone entity which had to be checked one at a time in order to 100% ensure compliance!!!!!  

[DaBurglar]

But here is my MOST important, and indisputably brilliant, post regarding this topic of a on/off switch for the machines in any given casino!Pay close attention, the video is SHORT (10 seconds ) and turn up your volume so that you get the full IMPACT of the point I am making!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPZn4rbiB8g

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DaBuglar]Not to deliberately disagree with you PHIL (in fact I am enjoying your
engaging responses in this thread and elsewhere), but what i am
referencing and describing is a lot more complex and nuanced than what
you described.......first off, do you have any personal experience with
Server based systems and how they potentially can operate and the what
thy provide to the end user in terms of utility and flexibility and all
that?[/quote]Not that it matters, but I have been a Network Engineer since the eighties. Starting with the old Novell networks, my company has installed many hundreds of local and wide area networks.  I am one of the original founders of the Associated Mini Computer Dealers of America, one of the first independent computer dealers in the US and was personally instrumental in the definition and creation of numerous nationally marketed software packages.  I am currently a paid IT consultant with high profile clients.  So, yes I am very familiar with these systems.My question seems clear enough.  My understanding is regulators run a test on the chip itself.  Network software could be constructed to intercept the chips results and substitute results that would benefit the casino.   This could be very hard to detect with one hardware test as networks cover a wide diversity of components including software and the Internet.  I seriously doubt State
regulators have the budget to keep up with all possible tampering.   If the US Government can't keep their networks from being hacked, how can a casino?  I'm not arguing for or against machine rigging, I'm asking if network tampering could be detected?After thinking about this for a while, I have concluded that these "options" would have to be made by game manufacturers at the request of or as a sales feature offered to casino customers and would require tremendous efforts to remain under wraps.  If it were ever revealed, the outcry would be significant not to mention State Regulators revoking their license.  I suspect a "jackpot on and off button" is technically possible, but is not needed as the game itself will take care of any long term player profits.

[olds442jetaway]

First congrats and keep it up LL family. As to some of the points being made, I think with technology today, anything and everything is possible. Anyway, except for my 2 recent big pot shot jackpots which wwre just pure luck, I and other players have noticed in particular one thing over the years. Most premium hands will be hit when your bet is small. Many players who bet say 10 quarters at a time and are losing drop their bets back to 5. I can't count how many times I have seen players do this and almost immediately hit a premium hand. Could be coincidence, but I have seen so much of it. Also how many times have you been down to your last bet and hit something small or medium on the last bet? I have been keeping track of this for a while and it seems to be about 70% way above the norm. Could it be to entice you to put more money in the machine?
     I don't think any of these questions will ever be answered for sure. I have been playing an unusual way for the past 2 months and it has been working well. Aside from the pot shots, I just bet enough to be even if one of the lower premium hands hits. That way, if one of the better hands hits while I am waiting for the smaller one, you will be way ahead. Of course you run the risk of busting the bankroll doing this, but so far I haven't in the last 2 months and have had now many consecutive winning sessions. I understand this is all still short term, but I am not arguing with success at this point. It seems to work particularly well with DDS for some reason and also pretty well on Bonus Deuces Wild. No real test other than those 2 games. Does not work well on job at all because the only thing higher than a quad is the very rare straight flush or the royal. The other downside is you seem to need sessions in the 8-10 hour range. I am still willing to do that, though I take breaks so as to not sit too long which is the worst thing any of us can do. Once in awhile the good hand hits early, but it is so hard to quit then. Then you may need to play another 8-10 hours just to get back where you were. Been there, done that over and over again.

[Lionqueen]

Larry, the machines are in New Mexico and have been doing this for years but it's never occurred on the newer machines, just the older. It's obviously not an automatic event because it doesn't always disable but more often than not it does.

DaBurglar I LOVE the video!!! 😂😂😂😂.

[alpax]

Larry, the machines are in New Mexico and have been doing this for years but it's never occurred on the newer machines, just the older.


I heard from many people that gambling in New Mexico is horrible beyond belief. If you found an opportunity that is good for you.

[Lionqueen]

The Inn of the Mountain Gods in Ruidoso has 9/6 DDB, a good variety of games, great Indian atmosphere and spectacular views. I love staying and playing there.