2017 VP Results - Not Great!

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DaBurglar]I'm glad you posted about this, thanks; now others here will have an
inkling about who and what I'm talking about when I refer to additional,
serious players and aquaintances who also report consistently abysmal
play results in AC![/quote]You seem pretty convinced there is something amiss with AC video poker.  They tell me it's regulated, whatever that means.Some members of this forum have asked the question, "If you think the games are rigged, why do you play?"  This seems like an honest question to me and I don't think anyone is taking a shot for asking it.   Personally my wife and I believe the games are fair, but if it were proven they weren't would we still play?  Yes. In our view, Video Poker is a computer video game played for entertainment.  It's Super Mario for money.   If you believe you can make serious money gambling, there are ways to do it without having a programmable computer deal the cards.   I can't see how any informed person would trust a million dollars of their own money in something that can
be manipulated so easily.   Video poker should be played with money you don't give a damn about.   If a million dollars doesn't mean anything to you, go for it.Right now some offshore software engineer is sitting in his cubical writing cryptocurrency software code to bilk gullible investors out of their money.  If you think AC video poker is rigged, buy some Bitcoin!  Cyber security is sucking up huge budgets worldwide.  Whole countries are writing programs to influence elections and steal intellectual secrets.  If you don't think a video poker machine can be rigged, you are very naive, uninformed or both.I have been an IT manager, systems analyst and computer software
engineer for over 40 years.  Based on my experience, "rigging" a video poker machine
to pass the regulator's simple test would not be that difficult.  Do I
think they would do it?  No, they don't need to.  There are dozens of reasons players don't make money playing video poker, most of them have nothing to do with the games themselves.We play the games and don't concern ourselves with those issues.  The whole idea of a casino is to have fun and enjoy our visit.  We can do that whether the games are rigged or not.

[FAA]

Thanks a million, JM. You have absolutely convinced me that Harrah's AC is a VP money pit! On par with the notorious AC money pits. I'm really done now. Bitter loser with good reason. 2M TC is a minimum seven figure loss.

[DaBurglar]

[quote=DaBurglar]I'm glad you posted about this, thanks; now others here will have an
inkling about who and what I'm talking about when I refer to additional,
serious players and aquaintances who also report consistently abysmal
play results in AC!You seem pretty convinced there is something amiss with AC video poker.  They tell me it's regulated, whatever that means.Some members of this forum have asked the question, "If you think the games are rigged, why do you play?"  This seems like an honest question to me and I don't think anyone is taking a shot for asking it.   Personally my wife and I believe the games are fair, but if it were proven they weren't would we still play?  Yes. In our view, Video Poker is a computer video game played for entertainment.  It's Super Mario for money.   If you believe you can make serious money gambling, there are ways to do it without having a programmable computer deal the cards.   I can't see how any informed person would trust a million dollars of their own money in something that can
be manipulated so easily.   Video poker should be played with money you don't give a damn about.   If a million dollars doesn't mean anything to you, go for it.Right now some offshore software engineer is sitting in his cubical writing cryptocurrency software code to bilk gullible investors out of their money.  If you think AC video poker is rigged, buy some Bitcoin!  Cyber security is sucking up huge budgets worldwide.  Whole countries are writing programs to influence elections and steal intellectual secrets.  If you don't think a video poker machine can be rigged, you are very naive, uninformed or both.I have been an IT manager, systems analyst and computer software
engineer for over 40 years.  Based on my experience, "rigging" a video poker machine
to pass the regulator's simple test would not be that difficult.  Do I
think they would do it?  No, they don't need to.  There are dozens of reasons players don't make money playing video poker, most of them have nothing to do with the games themselves.We play the games and don't concern ourselves with those issues.  The whole idea of a casino is to have fun and enjoy our visit.  We can do that whether the games are rigged or not.
















































[/QUOTE]Very thought provoking thread Phil.....I like how you were easily able to politely point out that you personally do not believe there is anything amiss with AC Video Poker but respectfully acknowledge my own personal views and experience, as well as realistically concede what  IS  and what  IS NOT  "possible" in the real world today, especially in regards to High Tech (which it seems YOU are quite versed in, far more than Myself, and I am no Neophyte or slouch in this area.....)As i have stated many times (and there is a thread as you must know now devoted to the Question you repeated, "Why Play?") I have heard the thoughts and opinions of many OTHER more prolific and prominent players than myself regarding AC the last few years.....it's not just ME harboring these thoughts, but of course, I WANT to be WRONG about my suspicions, and I try to have faith and simply acknowledge that chance and luck CAN conceivably result in YEARS AND YEARS of generally lousy results.....but its much more complex and cloudy than any simplistic answer, too many factors and possibilities, etc.    I KNOW I am not that unlucky, I KNOW I am good enough to play certain VP games mathematically correct, I KNOW I am smart with my money and how and when I use it  etc.One last thing.....you must know about SERVER based systems and what utility such systems give the end user in terms of managing/manipulating things.....that is what I believe has really influenced the AC CET Properties the last 3+ years;  some days the whole system/casino seems OFF where no one hits anything, and then BOOM, one day comes along where EVERYONE is doing really well.   That has happened now too many times to be just coincidence.   Jeter knows of what I speak.....

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DaBuglar]One last thing.....you must know about SERVER based systems and what
utility such systems give the end user in terms of managing/manipulating
things. [/quote]Yes I do.  I started in the computer industry before networks existed.  Back in the seventies, the idea that two dissimilar computers could exchange information was a fantasy.  The only method of  data exchange we had was a cryptic language called ASCII code.  I made a lot of money performing ASCII conversions back in the day.  Modern networks allow billions of computers to exchange information freely.  As you know, the Internet is nothing but a super large computer network.Is it a coincidence that your reported decline in VP results coincided with the networking of  casino slot machines?    I do not know.  I do know that a simple test run on one computer's CPU could not possibly detect a network wide application with thousands if not millions of nodes.  At best, I think the regulator's tests are for "feel good" purposes.  I think the best way to play VP is with disposable income and not assume fairness one way or another.    God gives everyone unique talents.  I believe there are greater things to do with your talents than trying to beat a VP game for a living.  That's my opinion.   You may disagree.   I think teaching people to be better players and/or get more enjoyment from the game is a productive use of your talents.   I see this as the same thing as teaching someone to be a better golfer or fisherman.   If I wrote a VP strategy book, no one would read it.  If I wrote one anyway, it would say this on the front page in bold letters.Video Poker is an entertainment vehicle that carries with it a certain degree of financial risk.  Players should be aware of this risk, and govern themselves accordingly.  There is nothing contained in this book that constitutes a guarantee of winning.

[Tedlark]

That's it! I say we all pack up and move to Las Vegas. One hole in my plan is that some people who move there will lose at video poker and then claim there is "clearly something amiss" with video poker in Las Vegas.

I've probably posed the "then why do you still play" question 50 times over the years and I don't ever recall getting a response - from anyone.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Tedlark]I've probably posed the "then why do you still play" question 50 times
over the years and I don't ever recall getting a response - from anyone.
[/quote]Here you go.[quote]Some members of this forum have asked the question, "If you think the
games are rigged, why do you play?"  This seems like an honest question
to me and I don't think anyone is taking a shot for asking it.  
Personally my wife and I believe the games are fair, but if it were
proven they weren't would we still play?  Yes. In our view, Video Poker is a computer video game played for entertainment.  It's Super Mario for money.[/quote]

[Tedlark]

Phil how is what you posted an answer to that particular question? You stated that both you, and your wife, believe the games are fair. But you go on to say that if proven that the games were not fair; you'd still play?

That really defies logic.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote]We play the games and don't concern ourselves with those issues.  The
whole idea of a casino is to have fun and enjoy our visit.  We can do
that whether the games are rigged or not.[/quote]

[Tedlark]

Can you use bit coin to pay for your membership here?

[billryan]

This is the recreational forum.
Math and logic is optional.