Auto-holds, speed, and longevity

[AceTenBriggs]

I was wanting to get everyone’s take on auto holds. I noticed on certain games their auto holds are on point with strategy, some aren’t, and using them allows me to zip through the hands ultimately increasing the amount I get in an hour session.

Playing with that auto hold and speed advantage just got me to my first RF, a few Deuce Quads, and my bankroll goes up more than it goes down. All I do, besides hitting a button, is quickly verify the held card before I click on. Otherwise I take a quick second to change the held cards before clicking on.

Is this a lazy man’s way to play? I mean, if you’re into fairness would this be taking advantage of the system vs good video poker playing? The upside, I’m making money and enjoying it so much more than my original take on the game.

Surely it’s bias or superstition, but I’ve noticed playing faster vs slower increases the longevity of both game and bankroll. I’ve read many mixed reviews on what VP players think on speed, and it only seems to come up on tournament talk.

Does anyone play fast and notice any similar effects on the longevity aspect?

The downside is some games don’t allow for such fast play based on their programming, current physical condition, inability to alter the dealing pace, and sometimes extra screen annoyances you have to pause for.


I’m not a professional, and haven’t been playing long with the intent of becoming professional, but given the amount of hands one must play before the fruits of the game are ripe and ready to reveal themselves leave a lot of time for autodidactic discoveries not yet read or learned about.

It’s thrilling and there’s money to be made.



Thanks,

AceTenBriggs

[olds442jetaway]

The auto play machines I checked out in Aruba 15 years ago often held the wrong cards. If I play much faster than 600 hands per hour on a single line game, I am prone to make mistakes. Not from a strategy error, but from problems within the machine itself like sticky or worn out buttons

[dinghy]

I’m not a professional, and haven’t been playing long with the intent of becoming professional, but given the amount of hands one must play before the fruits of the game are ripe and ready to reveal themselves leave a lot of time for autodidactic discoveries not yet read or learned about.

Good thing I keep a dictionary nearby in case someone exceeds 8th grade vocabulary .

Auto-hold is great if reliably accurate. Otherwise it may be more trouble than it's worth.

Regarding fast/slow, there have been casinos that included length of play in their comp formula. For the same coin-in, you would be comped better if you stretched out the action over a longer period of time. Otherwise in your scenario it's irrelevant afaik.

[tech58]

I confuse easily sometimes, and am struggling to understand how speeding up play on a game with a house advantage can improve results?

Also dinghy of TOD or coin-in which is more widely used to evaluate players?

[dinghy]

Also dinghy of TOD or coin-in which is more widely used to evaluate players?

It's a mixed bag imo.

Points are usually connected to coin-in. On the Vegas strip there was a trend toward theo, but I understand both Venetian/Palazzo and Fontainebleau have recently shifted from theo to coin-in.

Tier credits are possibly more likely to involve theo. Boyd for example uses theo for video poker, but coin-in ($5 per tier credit) for slots (reels).

Mail is tricky because the algorithms are usually kept secret. Theo is often (presumably) involved, and they may also consider averages and/or actual losses. Same for comps from a host.

To my knowledge, time on device is rarely considered directly unless they have some type of fixed threshold such as you have to play four hours minimum for a specific type of comp.

[olds442jetaway]

One reason I like Mohegan Sun is I know exactly where I stand at all times as far as working on the next tier level goes. I know if I play 98-99 games I won’t earn points I can spend. Just status or tier points. They tell me my free play and giveaways a month or 2 in advance. They tell me which days have this or that going on. I also like their use or lose point system called choice credits that resets every month. I do have to keep checking for comp rooms on the web site, but that’s ok. I can book a few months in advance too.

[FAA]

CET AC has the sticker system on 99% games. Play not eligible for promotional offers. They recently doubled the Tier Credit minimum to get into the promotional mix, so the hell with those inducements.

[olds442jetaway]

Yeah that’s bad. I at least get tier credits on those machines.

[tech58]

Thanks dinghy all the info. I can get at my home casino agrees right on, coin-in, 3 month moving average and the usual dissing of VP. Especially full pay. We can no longer play our earned FP, bonuses, and other premium play winnings from drawings, on VP machines.

[olds442jetaway]

That’s a bummer Tech. I hope that isn’t next in Ct. They usually follow what the Western casinos do. Bad enough we don’t get any spendable points for 98-99 machines. Compared to what I am hearing in the VP world, I guess I am overall lucky with the offerings at Mohegan Sun. I don’t play it much, but we still have 99.54 quarter JOB and with the free play and other incentives not counting rooms, shows, food, and non cash gifts, we can still get to just about 100 percent with perfect play.