RNG Questions

[Gronbog]

For the typical player, whether they spin the RNG continuously or select 5 replacement cards at the time of dealing makes no difference, other than allowing you to say "I would have hit that hand had I stayed for one more deal".

The technique of spinning the RNG continuously was implemented because on some old slot machines, by observing the machine long enough, one could figure out the recurring cycle of results which was due to the RNG only being advanced when the spin button was pressed. By cycling the RNG continuously, even when the machine is idle, there is no longer any such pattern.

[Vman96]

After reading the Nevada law on RNG's,it appears that at deal 10 cards are selected at random. First 5 are displayed as the dealt hand and second five are held to replace any discards, #6 replacing first discard, #7 the second and similarly any other discards.
If anyone cares to check this Google Nevada law on RNG in video poker machines, found good article on this pretty close to top of list.
So much for question #1 but that one was really only curiosity thing.

Um, no. Absolutely 100% wrong. Please avoid spreading misinformation. Nevada law clearly states that video poker draw cards must not be determined before the draw button is hit.

Page 15 (last page) of this PDF file. Section 1.400.

https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocum ... entid=2919

6. Additionally, video poker games must not determine replacement cards prior to the player
selecting hold cards and initiating a draw.

[billryan]

http://www.gamblers007.com/video-poker- ... bout-them/

The thing I can't understand is how can some gaming board (LV or Indian) have a way to see if the RNG is operating correctly? If there is a patent on the software is there really a way for a gaming board to test it?


From 2014 below, says years back was 5 and 5 now 47 card shuffle after deal, why the change? Is it harder to hit a good hand?
http://robison.casinocitytimes.com/arti ... deal-63572

I've been told that software improvements allowed for the change in procedures. More powerful computers
can handle the ever cycling 47 cards.

[tech58]

Only one method exists in Nevada. I have no idea what articles you are quoting or how old they are but it sounds like they are outdated.

THE ARTICLE I MENTIONED IS DATED 04/20/19 . IF YOU DO NOT CARE TO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND READ IT THEN YOU SHOULD SHUT THE F...K UP.
WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT IS TIRED OF THIS GUY READ THE ARTICLE AND CALL HIM ON IT. OR THIS FORUM SIMPLY SUCKS AND I AM DONE WITH THE IDIOTS GETTING AWAY WITH DRIVEL!!!!

tech58, I believe the article you are referring to is ORIGINALLY dated March 25, 2015. The title of the article is: The Random Number Generator.

Here is a link to the article:

https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/video-p ... generator/

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE CURRENT DATE OF SUNDAY APRIL 21, 2019 IS CLEARLY VISIBLE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER OF THE PAGE SO I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CORRECT IN STATING THAT THE ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED ON SATURDAY APRIL 20, 2019. I DO NOT KNOW OR NOT IF I AM CALLING YOU OUT ON THIS BUT THERE IS THE ARTICLE.

You are correct Ted. I pulled the article today and the date is 4/21/19. Strange as it may seem i pulled the article for the first time yesterday and it was in fact dated 4/20/19.
However the article is identical and i thank you for posting the link (another of the multitude of things i do not know how to do).
The article describes "serial dealing method" and "the five and five" that i tried to describe in my earlier post. It also describes another method called "parallel method of dealing" which fell out of favor and was replaced by serial dealing some time in the 80's.
Then in 2016 new machines switched to currently used five and five.
Some of the older machines around may have serial dealing but were probably up-dated.

[Vman96]

Only one method exists in Nevada. I have no idea what articles you are quoting or how old they are but it sounds like they are outdated.

THE ARTICLE I MENTIONED IS DATED 04/20/19 . IF YOU DO NOT CARE TO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND READ IT THEN YOU SHOULD SHUT THE F...K UP.
WOULD SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT IS TIRED OF THIS GUY READ THE ARTICLE AND CALL HIM ON IT. OR THIS FORUM SIMPLY SUCKS AND I AM DONE WITH THE IDIOTS GETTING AWAY WITH DRIVEL!!!!

tech58, I believe the article you are referring to is ORIGINALLY dated March 25, 2015. The title of the article is: The Random Number Generator.

Here is a link to the article:

https://www.casinonewsdaily.com/video-p ... generator/

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE CURRENT DATE OF SUNDAY APRIL 21, 2019 IS CLEARLY VISIBLE IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER OF THE PAGE SO I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE CORRECT IN STATING THAT THE ARTICLE WAS PUBLISHED ON SATURDAY APRIL 20, 2019. I DO NOT KNOW OR NOT IF I AM CALLING YOU OUT ON THIS BUT THERE IS THE ARTICLE.

You are correct Ted. I pulled the article today and the date is 4/21/19. Strange as it may seem i pulled the article for the first time yesterday and it was in fact dated 4/20/19.
However the article is identical and i thank you for posting the link (another of the multitude of things i do not know how to do).
The article describes "serial dealing method" and "the five and five" that i tried to describe in my earlier post. It also describes another method called "parallel method of dealing" which fell out of favor and was replaced by serial dealing some time in the 80's.
Then in 2016 new machines switched to currently used five and five.
Some of the older machines around may have serial dealing but were probably up-dated.

Most machines were updated decades ago. And they don't use "five and five". They make a call to the RNG the exact moment you hit draw and they immediately draw the needed replacement cards then. I doubt I ever played a VP machine that didn't cycle the RNG between the deal and draw; I began playing in 2001. Nevada just wrote a law in 2016 to make it official.

[billryan]

Casinos in Nevada do not use five by five and haven't in years. First generation video poker machines used to but machines haven't that method for many years

[stevel96a1]

well a time machine would put an end to everyones theories and beliefs until then we stick to our beliefs.

not that it matters if it continue to spin or not we cant harness any advantage from it

[Sea Lion]

Yes there is software that can manipulate the RNG. I have heard this from 2 programmers that I know that work in that industry. I've had my doubts whether casinos here in LV are using it or not. If they got caught, it would surely be an offense that could cause the loss of their gaming license. Keep in mind that one major casino on the strip got caught rigging drawings https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/questio ... a-drawing/ and another got caught money laundering https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/ ... iolations/ , both you would think would be a cause for license suspension or revoked, but both only got hit with a 7 figure fine... pocket change for both casinos. What would stop a casino from using software to manipulate the RNG if they would most likely only get hit with a fine instead of being made an example of?

[Tedlark]

So Sea Lion do you actually believe that RNG's are being manipulated in Las Vegas? If yes, obviously they were manipulated in your favor when you were dealt AWAK evidenced by the picture you posted in another forum post.

[FloridaPhil]

I can understand how players could think the RNG is being manipulated. I don't think the casino needs to do this. House edge, ignorance, human error, greed, machine malfunctions and physical limitations are more than enough to allow them to profit.

Random means "anything" can happen. "Anything" is not predictable in any humanly significant period of time. If you believe gambling with an edge will produce a profit, you are still gambling. If it works, you will profit. If it doesn't, you will lose. NO big deal unless you are gambling with money you can't afford to lose.

If I believed the RNG was not 100% random, I would not play video poker.