"IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S RIGGED, WHY PLAY?"

[jetermacaw]

Every machine I play in AC I’m consistently dealt a QQ or a QQ opportunity, except the actual QQ machines. Last week playing Super Triple Play, was dealt 3 7s, 3, 4, thru the 3,4 and got 6,1. Next hand,dealt full house 3 10s 2 5s. Next hand 6,6,2,4. Goes on like that on every machine except QQs. I don’t play QQS any more and all the old regulars have followed suit. Some of the real big 7* players that fly in still pound away with terrible results. Been a blessing for me because I’m having decent results playing other machines but it was hard lesson.

[asteroid]

Interesting stuff Jetermacaw, thanks.

[Eduardo]

Yes, interesting. I don't doubt you've had a fair number of QQ hands on non-QQ machines. It happens. I do doubt that it's an inordinate amount due to machine changes. The whole reason that game was invented is because we notice hands like that.

As I've done with others, if you really believe things aren't as they should be, I encourage you to document it properly, perhaps with the help of other players. That could be worth millions!

Of course, when I have suggested this to other people, they've always decided it's better to continue losing money on machines they feel are rigged instead of retiring comfortably with millions of dollars. Interesting.

What sort of documentation would it take? It wouldn't take you long to figure that out. But for millions of dollars I'm not going to do your homework for you. I'd gladly help out, except I feel it would be a complete waste of time and only show that the machines are as fair as we'd all hope them to be.

I never see advantage players coming up with these theories, and they have the most on the line if machines behaved in any way out of the ordinary. Interesting.

[jetermacaw]

Eduardo I took the advice others have been saying, I just don’t play them anymore. A couple years ago you had to know God to get on one of the 4 machines, they are virtually empty now except for an occasional tourist.

[asteroid]

Yes, interesting. I don't doubt you've had a fair number of QQ hands on non-QQ machines. It happens. I do doubt that it's an inordinate amount due to machine changes. The whole reason that game was invented is because we notice hands like that.

As I've done with others, if you really believe things aren't as they should be, I encourage you to document it properly, perhaps with the help of other players. That could be worth millions!

Of course, when I have suggested this to other people, they've always decided it's better to continue losing money on machines they feel are rigged instead of retiring comfortably with millions of dollars. Interesting.

What sort of documentation would it take? It wouldn't take you long to figure that out. But for millions of dollars I'm not going to do your homework for you. I'd gladly help out, except I feel it would be a complete waste of time and only show that the machines are as fair as we'd all hope them to be.

I never see advantage players coming up with these theories, and they have the most on the line if machines behaved in any way out of the ordinary. Interesting.

I suppose one method would be tallying the number of times dealt high pair offsuits happen (AQ,AJ,KJ, and KQ) in a game like DDB (yes you're only supposed to hold the Ace) and compare to the percentage probability would dictate (10%). I would consider myself an advantage player. I vulture various persistent state slots (GE,OM,JB,OS,WWZ,P&Z,S4D,OMG,ED,MM,AF,DL,Sb and Must Hits) and do a lot of UX multiplier (UX, UX bonus streak, and other derivatives I won't name here) hunting. I come out with more than I come in with most "sessions".

[billryan]

One game is five coins, the other is six. With the same coin in, the non QQ player will play nearly twenty percent more hands, which should result in about twenty percent more QQs.

[onemoretry]

According to this supposition, it is random, except .....

In my somewhat narrow view, random means random, and there can be no "excepts".

To be truly random, on the deal, and on the draw, and at each step, each and every eligible card must have an equal chance of being picked. Anything less than that is not truly random, and as near as I can understand, would not meet the requirements of most, if not all, gambling regulators.

[Player422738]

Not every state requires VP to be based on a random RNG. In those states, the probability of drawing an unseen card may not be random.

https://www.gamblingsites.org/casino/video-poker/legal/

[asteroid]

According to this supposition, it is random, except .....

In my somewhat narrow view, random means random, and there can be no "excepts".

To be truly random, on the deal, and on the draw, and at each step, each and every eligible card must have an equal chance of being picked. Anything less than that is not truly random, and as near as I can understand, would not meet the requirements of most, if not all, gambling regulators.

Way to cherry pick.

Admittedly, I haven't yet taken the time to read the links posted above

It is sampling without replacement, which is a random process.

[asteroid]

According to this supposition, it is random, except .....

In my somewhat narrow view, random means random, and there can be no "excepts".

To be truly random, on the deal, and on the draw, and at each step, each and every eligible card must have an equal chance of being picked. Anything less than that is not truly random, and as near as I can understand, would not meet the requirements of most, if not all, gambling regulators.

Indian casinos are not subject to gambling regulators - I mentioned this explicitly in a previous post. I also mentioned it would be safer to play VP in a jurisdiction with a gaming control board like Nevada. In any case the process is random.