Wind Creek Casino, Illinois

[Tedlark]

Thank you again for your fresh perspective and insight.

[FAA]

THAW: The House Always Wins. Casino rule of thumb.

[Jstark]

No one, and I mean no one, beats VP on a consistent basis.
You can offset losses with comps and cash back, but there is no way to actually come out ahead over the long term. Even the so-called experts make their money on advice and side lines, not machines.
Enjoy the game, be responsible, have fun --- but if you're into it for money, sorry --- won't happen.
VP newbies need to be aware that when photos of big wins are posted here, they *never* offset the big losses, which strangely never seem to have photos.

Vulturing Ultimate X is an easy way to beat VP long term. And you DON'T need to use a players card to do it.

[Tedlark]

No one, and I mean no one, beats VP on a consistent basis.
You can offset losses with comps and cash back, but there is no way to actually come out ahead over the long term. Even the so-called experts make their money on advice and side lines, not machines.
Enjoy the game, be responsible, have fun --- but if you're into it for money, sorry --- won't happen.
VP newbies need to be aware that when photos of big wins are posted here, they *never* offset the big losses, which strangely never seem to have photos.

Vulturing Ultimate X is an easy way to beat VP long term. And you DON'T need to use a players card to do it.

But aren't you aware that this poster has over 39 years of employment in the gaming industry? And
retired?

Steve? Steve Wynn, is that you?

[lochu]

It is a perspective acquired during 39 years of employment with the gaming industry. I am now retired so I am free to offer my perspective.
It is wonderful that folks do indeed hit winners in all casino games. The games are legit and fair. But they are not designed to produce consistent winners. Absolutely not. They are purposely designed to create the occasional winner, sometimes even the occasional big winner, with the knowledge that winners who spread the news of their winnings will attract more players.
So the casino is happy when you win, because facts do not lie: You cannot defeat the built-in profit margin that the casino operates on. Casinos are almost a magic investment because with prudent management they cannot lose --- their profits are guaranteed through regulation.
If you play once, or even just a few times, you might come out as a winner. But if you are a regular player, no, there is no legal method you can employ that will make you a consistent winner over time on a gaming machine in a regulated American casino. Anyone who tells you otherwise is sadly misinformed.
Play for fun, be responsible, know exactly how much you can afford to lose, and accept that the casino is a profit-making venture with a projected earnings margin. Unless poorly managed, casinos do not lose money.

Ditto on above thank you posts. So many gamblers (slots, video poker, roulette, etc) think casinos cheat by "tightening" machines, etc. These casinos myths are called myths for reason -- all false. The only things players can control are game selection, session length and bankroll management.

[lochu]

It is a perspective acquired during 39 years of employment with the gaming industry. I am now retired so I am free to offer my perspective.
It is wonderful that folks do indeed hit winners in all casino games. The games are legit and fair. But they are not designed to produce consistent winners. Absolutely not. They are purposely designed to create the occasional winner, sometimes even the occasional big winner, with the knowledge that winners who spread the news of their winnings will attract more players.
So the casino is happy when you win, because facts do not lie: You cannot defeat the built-in profit margin that the casino operates on. Casinos are almost a magic investment because with prudent management they cannot lose --- their profits are guaranteed through regulation.
If you play once, or even just a few times, you might come out as a winner. But if you are a regular player, no, there is no legal method you can employ that will make you a consistent winner over time on a gaming machine in a regulated American casino. Anyone who tells you otherwise is sadly misinformed.
Play for fun, be responsible, know exactly how much you can afford to lose, and accept that the casino is a profit-making venture with a projected earnings margin. Unless poorly managed, casinos do not lose money.

Ditto on above thank you posts. So many gamblers (slots, video poker, roulette, etc) think casinos cheat by "tightening" machines, etc. Casino myths are called myths for reason -- all false. The only things players can control are game selection, session length and bankroll management.

[Jstark]

No one, and I mean no one, beats VP on a consistent basis.
You can offset losses with comps and cash back, but there is no way to actually come out ahead over the long term. Even the so-called experts make their money on advice and side lines, not machines.
Enjoy the game, be responsible, have fun --- but if you're into it for money, sorry --- won't happen.
VP newbies need to be aware that when photos of big wins are posted here, they *never* offset the big losses, which strangely never seem to have photos.

Vulturing Ultimate X is an easy way to beat VP long term. And you DON'T need to use a players card to do it.

But aren't you aware that this poster has over 39 years of employment in the gaming industry? And
retired?

Steve? Steve Wynn, is that you?

Most casino employees don't have the foggiest idea how casino games work.

[dinghy]

Ditto on above thank you posts.

I also ditto the thank you posts. Particularly the sarcastic ones.

[Tedlark]

Ditto on above thank you posts.

I also ditto the thank you posts. Particularly the sarcastic ones.

The posts made revealed no new information which hasn't been written here a thousand times before. Hence the sarcastic responses. I'm surprised there wasn't any mention of why casinos do not have clocks, or why there are confusing carpets, machine layout schemes, or where Nicky Santoro's store "The Gold Rush" was located.

[dinghy]

The posts made revealed no new information which hasn't been written here a thousand times before.

Yes, but Phlorida Fil is out of "commission" here. This new contributor could be the human to carry on the legacy.