Are casino VP machines truly random?

[Tedlark]

Ted…..When they blindfolded you, did they also spin you around 3 times then point you in the direction of the slots like Bizarro does?

Yes, yes they did.

[olds442jetaway]

I figured they would do that!

[binbin]

Kudos, Eduardo. So much is based on small samples. Even playing once a week for 5 years will not give you the info for players' conspiracy theories. Yes, the RNG randomly and continuously shuffles the cards. No, the Player's card has nothing to do with the actual result of play except for keeping track of the games on machines played, time played, and all info needed for your ADT and worth to the casino in the form of comps.

[atomic2025]

Let’s say you’re dealt 4 to a royal. Normally you’ve got a 1‑in‑47 shot at catching that last card. Now imagine the game is secretly rigged in your favor - instead of giving every card equal odds, it bumps your royal card to 1‑in‑46.

Technically that’s better for you… but would you ever notice? Probably not. You still miss the royal almost every time, so from a player’s perspective it feels exactly the same.

[tech58]

Happened to be re-reading this thread to see if any actually useful info. on the subject may have surfaced.
I still have a couple questions on this subject. Who, if anyone, runs random checks on
machines in Indian casinos, similar to what is done in regulated places like Nevada, AC, and others?
Question #2. The RNG in machines, as manufactured, is required to be "coded and encrypted so as to be accessible to no one"
Is it possible for the machine owner to access and alter the RNG?
Anyone with sources of info. on either Question your response will be welcome.
Please don't take too seriously the Poobah's who treat this subject as a joke or conspiracy theory territory when it is really just a quest for knowledge. They are good guy's and that's just what they do.

[tech58]

Don't know of any Indian Casinos that run class 3. Have not been in them all so could be wrong.

I also need to correct this post. Should of said class 2. All Indian casinos I have been in run class 3.

[xfile1971]

Happened to be re-reading this thread to see if any actually useful info. on the subject may have surfaced.
I still have a couple questions on this subject. Who, if anyone, runs random checks on
machines in Indian casinos, similar to what is done in regulated places like Nevada, AC, and others?
Question #2. The RNG in machines, as manufactured, is required to be "coded and encrypted so as to be accessible to no one"
Is it possible for the machine owner to access and alter the RNG?
Anyone with sources of info. on either Question your response will be welcome.
Please don't take too seriously the Poobah's who treat this subject as a joke or conspiracy theory territory when it is really just a quest for knowledge. They are good guy's and that's just what they do.

Good luck getting valid responses. My experience is that all you get are snarky remarks about being clueless or a paranoid conspiracy theorist. What I find interesting is that I have never once seen any reports showing that these games are regularly tested and are certified to be truly random. I actually contacted the IL Department of Gaming the other day to inquire through a FOIA request if I could see reports regarding their testing of the RNGs in these VP machines. Nope. No luck. So much for "transparency". Everyone has the attitude of "Just trust us, bro. They're all legit. And if you don't agree, you're some sort of wacko."

[Tedlark]

Don't know of any Indian Casinos that run class 3. Have not been in them all so could be wrong.

I also need to correct this post. Should of said class 2. All Indian casinos I have been in run class 3.

It took only 5 months for you to catch your error? You didn't check for mews posts in that time? Yes, you should have said class III and not instead, should of said class II gaming machines. Do they have casinos in India, that Indians may gamble at? I know gambling is legal there. I know there are many Native American casinos who operate class III gaming machines, Four Winds being just one example. This includes the Four Winds casino in South Bend, IN as well as their Michigan properties.

[Tedlark]

Happened to be re-reading this thread to see if any actually useful info. on the subject may have surfaced.
I still have a couple questions on this subject. Who, if anyone, runs random checks on
machines in Indian casinos, similar to what is done in regulated places like Nevada, AC, and others?
Question #2. The RNG in machines, as manufactured, is required to be "coded and encrypted so as to be accessible to no one"
Is it possible for the machine owner to access and alter the RNG?
Anyone with sources of info. on either Question your response will be welcome.
Please don't take too seriously the Poobah's who treat this subject as a joke or conspiracy theory territory when it is really just a quest for knowledge. They are good guy's and that's just what they do.

Good luck getting valid responses. My experience is that all you get are snarky remarks about being clueless or a paranoid conspiracy theorist. What I find interesting is that I have never once seen any reports showing that these games are regularly tested and are certified to be truly random. I actually contacted the IL Department of Gaming the other day to inquire through a FOIA request if I could see reports regarding their testing of the RNGs in these VP machines. Nope. No luck. So much for "transparency". Everyone has the attitude of "Just trust us, bro. They're all legit. And if you don't agree, you're some sort of wacko."

It's all spelled out in the Illinois Gambling Act, clear as crystal. To start, Illinois has contracted with 3 different INDEPENDENT testing laboratories to test gaming equipment. These 3 companies not only perform this type of service for Illinois casinos but for casinos all over the United States.

Once you get done reading the Act, feel free to breeze through the ILLINOIS GAMING BOARD MINIMUM INTERNAL CONTROL STANDARDS SECTION E - ELECTRONIC GAMING DEVICES (EGDs).

Feel free to report back with your findings, bro.

[Tedlark]

tech, it seems as if you have been on this quest for about as long as those nitwits have been on their quest on Oak Island. Have you thought about doing a t.v. show like them? This may get you some answers.