Pechanga Casino - Paradise for 9/6 Jacks Or Better

[alpax]

As always and many times already, thanks for another insight on this play Vman.

The quarter, half-dollar, and $1/$2/$5 dollar video poker machines outside of the high limit room have Deuces Wild set to 20-12-9 (for 25c/50c) and 20-12-10 (for $1/$2/$5). I told Phil I wanted to risk playing $1 as a starting to play NSUD which has an ER of 2% higher, of course he told me it will not be a cheap way to play video poker if I used his system on dollars. Did not know single coin play was worse in the long run, I paid more attention to the 96% ER figure on the website, assuming it was Airport Deuces minus the Royal Flush payout rather than the Colorado Deuces payout.

I do not know the name of the 20-12-10 table, I see it quite a bit.

No wonder Phil takes a shot at single coin $5 time to time if he gets to play on Airport Deuces paytable. I did not get a direct response to the question if $1 and $5 had the same paytable, otherwise I would have gone max $1 bet if I was going for a pot shot.

I thought about doing max bet $1 as a start, and if I win 4-credits, I thought of doing $5 max bet until I lose and dropping down to $1 max bet. I will not go to the $25 max bet tier. But seeing Phil win with a single coin $5 twice in a short span, I did go with his system entirely. I got burned from having all the Wild Royals and 5OAK on single credit $1 denom throughout the session.

California is one of the states where you do not have to report any form of gambling winnings as income (just Federal). While that might sound good, without getting into deep discussion in politics, there are other heavy taxes to pay for the state; I think it is the highest in the nation at an average of 9.4%

Actually including the $2 max bet in between might be good since winning a 4 credit $1 bet and then losing the next hand at $5 credits will negate the previous winnings unless I hit a straight or better. Somehow need to get creative with a system but Phil brought out a good blueprint, overall $1 single coin should be avoided at the very least on NSUD paytables.

[Vman96]

That's good you don't have to pay state taxes on it.

Once you get to 99.5% games or better, the benefit of losing less by being less is mostly washed away.

As for a "name" for 20/12/10 deuces games, John Grochowski suggests that 20/12/9 had been called "Fooler Deuces" (i assume he or someone else came up with that name because the wild royal payout was not altered back in the days I couldn't legally gamble...lol). I would put 20/12/10 in this "nickname" category as well. It's not commonly used though. Other authors have used this name for other paytables as well. I typically think of 20/12/10 deuces as 97.58% deuces.

http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/a ... ions-45954

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[alpax]

Trip Report - 11-22-2014

Had a terrible session today, I've never experienced such a big losing and so dramatic swing on JoB until today. I tried out a new plan simulating FloridaPhil's progressive plan where I would max bet $1 until I get 3 of a Kind or better, then switch to $2 denomination until I lose to go back to $1 bet. I experienced the Empty Pocket Syndrome, since I only had 2 quads in ~1500 hands; lost the entire bankroll I brought along with the $30 free play + $25 promotional free play. Each time I was able to hit it during the double bet. After each of the quad, I witnessed the worst losing streaks for both. I only saw 4-7 winning hands out of the $250 I just won, with that much I can at least play 50 hands, I only played 60 about there. I can play this game with 99.8% accuracy.

I probably will play dollar denomination until I am able to get the Royal Flush to salvage most of what I lost in VP this year. Might strongly consider going to quarter JoB or the 3 play quarter JoB (still 9-6)

For the hourly pot shots, I would go to the NSUD machine and take $20 I would do $1 max bet. On a 4 credit win I would do $5 max bet. It goes by quick so I took 2 shots each hour. All 8 shots but the last one
were duds.

I was bored so I went by the nickel Game Kings to the farthest end of the casino entrance. It is not reported on VPFree as well as the $50/$100 denominations, but I was slightly amazed to see the nickel denomination having 9-6 JoB. Hard to get a seat on one of the 12 machines available, it is occupied by the nickel Keno players for several hours. With this, I suppose this casino has to be amongst the best for JoB players, but the comp cash back is terrible and will not make you an advantage player.

The other games on the nickel VP matches the non-high limit games.

9-5 DDB
Fooler Deuces 20-12-10
7-5 Bonus Poker
7-5 Bonus Poker Deluxe
Joker Poker 2 Pair Atlantic City
8-5 TDB
Others are all 96% games, Aces+Deuces/White Hot Aces/Triple Bonus Plus

Nickel 9/6 Jacks or Better



First Quad - Should have played DDB today



Second Quad - I wish I could have gotten this during the pot shot, and now I really wish I played DDB today.



Absolute Final Hand of the Day Final NSUD Potshot- Still walked out a big loser for the day.

[olds442jetaway]

Seems like our sessions are mirroring each other. I had only 1 quad on job in 6 hours. It was aces of course. I tried Fla Phil's again which I like very much, but just can't seem to connect with the deuces lately. Tried Double Down Stud for a hopeful bailout, but nothing. Hsd to borrow going home money from the wife who had a good session on Multi Streak hitting aces a couple of times.

[alpax]

Seems like our sessions are mirroring each other. I had only 1 quad on job in 6 hours. It was aces of course. I tried Fla Phil's again which I like very much, but just can't seem to connect with the deuces lately. Tried Double Down Stud for a hopeful bailout, but nothing. Hsd to borrow going home money from the wife who had a good session on Multi Streak hitting aces a couple of times.

I get a few quad aces with a kicker and quad deuces on JoB, and plenty of quad deuces on DDB, but not so much on Deuces thus far.

I noticed if you do not hit a quad every 30 minutes, it ends up to be a losing session most often.


At least Florida Phil mentioned you have to find patterns. Sometimes you have to mix in some more max bets during single coin play, so when you lose on a max bet, you might have to max bet again in hopes for a better hand in Deuces.

With the system on average for every 6 hands, you bet max bet once. I think I will try out playing with a counter where, if I do not max bet I raise the count. If it exceeds 10, I will do max bet on 2 losing hands before returning to single coin play.

[alpax]

Minor Trip Report - 12-5-2014

Play session did not last too long as the casino shuttle encountered huge Friday night traffic jams getting to the casino. A long line for the buffet as well to use the food voucher.

It was a promotional gift day (invites only) for the month. I RSVP'ed for it. A free Amazon Kindle Fire HD 6.



Unfortunately they ran out since their shipment they got from Amazon was far less than what they allocated for. I was told the device is worth $99 so as an alternative, I was given $100 casino slot free play.

Friday nights are also free match plays depending on club status, as tier 2 I got 2 $25 vouchers, so I played black jack and won 1 of the hands. I was bumped up to $50 a week in bounce back this month (i'll take that graciously, maybe due to the big loss?), so I had $200 club credits to play with. In a Dancer mentality, tonight was one of those few nights I was playing with the house advantage covered.

I normally play a session of max bet Jacks or Better and do NSUD pot shots, but since I got enough tier credits to stay at Gold (level 2), I played a session of NSUD and did potshots with JoB.

Since JoB does not have many jackpot quality hands, I doubled the shot values.

Put in $40, made max $2 bets, on a 3 credit win, I would go back to the high limit room and do a $10 max bet. I was only able to convert one of those five $40 shots into $100 white ticket, a few 2 pairs with a straight at the end. I was only able to do 1 $10 max bet hand, but that turned out to be a dud.

I tried FloridaPhil's cheap progressive system again, but in my case "Not So Cheap". To take advantage of the low house edge NSUD has, the modifications to this system is magnified by 20 folds to the original quarter system.

a. $20 inserted vs $400 inserted
b. Starting bets are single Coin 25 cent vs Max Bets $1
c) AFter a 4 coin win, max coin 25 cent bet vs Max Bet $5
d) Denomination change when counter reaches $25 vs when the counter reaches $500. Instead of denomination change, I use max bet $5. I was not planning on betting max bet $25 denomination (it is available, but $125 bets might produce too many W-2G situations) on a 4 credit win.
e) Cash out when credit balance is at $50 vs cash out when credit balance is at $1000.

Out of the $400, I got to play over 1000 hands. I coined in about $9000, and got to play max bet $5 more than 100 times with that bankroll. I saw some crazy swings with my bankroll with this play style. I can understand the reason Phil is having much more fun with the system, I seen it go as low as $105 and going to the upper $400s and back the low $100s a few times. Back to back 4 credit wins ($1 max bet, then $5 max bet) followed by 2 straights can kick it back up to back to $300.

During the session, an adrenaline pumping attempt, but in the end, so close but yet so far.



Near the end it was such a dramatic finish.

I got a natural full house and did a max bet $5. This hand was able to get me above the denomination changing threshold $500+.



I got 2 3 of a kinds and lost 2 hands, but this win got me to the cash out point. I was dealt 3 deuces and the A/5 of spades, the basic strategy tells to throw away the straight flush when dealt 3 deuces, but ironically I got the A/% of clubs as the replacement. Cashed out slightly over the $1000 mark at $1040.



I lost big the last trip so I felt like coming home at least a winner. For the rest of the night I decided to just play $200 worth of $1 max bet NSUD or Bonus Deluxe (no changing bets), felt something good was going with NSUD so I played it on a different machine.

I eventually lost it all, but yet I encountered another hand that would be worth so much in DDB.



Overall short but sweet day, it bought enough bankroll for another session to play later this month. I came away surprised that I was able to walk away a winner without hitting a single wild royal the entire night. I had at least one the last 3 times I played. I rarely walk out a winner in JoB if I do not hit a quad 1 out of every 400 hands.

[pokerforme]

Wow great trip report....and so very cool to get the big shot at the royal, wish it came for you.

[Vman96]

You were able to walk out a winner with no wild royals because your bigger wins were at the higher denomination most likely. I assume that's a big factor this year for Phil too.

I actually played deuces last night too. Mostly played Airport deuces for nickels and dimes, which are even at bartops! If only missouri had free drinks! Hit 2 wild royals but very little else. 80% return in about $200 coin-in. But I was able to get the $20 parking fee (casino is downtown) reimbursed via play at least. The couple of highlights.



From only one deuce!




9/6 DDB was also available for nickels+ but I didn't hit any natural quad, so I was good with playing deuces.

And heard the "jackpot" music come from my machine from the first time. Apparently this casino had the jackpot music set up for any call attendant scenario. Jerks. Two people came by to see what I hit before the attendants appeared. I'll admit they were quick, about 2 min. at 8pm on a Friday.

[alpax]

Wow great trip report....and so very cool to get the big shot at the royal, wish it came for you.

Thanks I appreciate the comment.

I normally play $1 9-6 Jacks or Better most of the time in order to build up casino club status while playing near 100% return. What was special about this one is the opportunity for the first time on a $5 max bet. If I connected that would put me well above in the positive for the next couple of years. Overall I am down from playing JoB, I needed any Royal Flush hit (even a quarter one) to recoup most of the losses.