Suggestions Please

Discuss proper hold strategies and "advantage play" and ask questions about how to improve your play.
New2vp
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Re: Suggestions Please

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Your welcome.  And your brain is not too small.  It's larger than mine since you were able to accomplish your goal with a bit less work.  I just hope you beat the odds someday.

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Post by JIMDUECE`SWILD »

 
 
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Faygo & Boopsahoy: When I left A.C. on Tuesday that IGT Triple Play Joker Progressive Jackpot was over $134,000‰.
 
 

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That is $31,000 over the break even according to new2vp. (See how smart I am now)

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Post by royal flush »

nice looking hand

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That is $31,000 over the break even according to new2vp. (See how smart I am now)That would also allow you to afford a generous tip.

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New2vp wrote:
Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:41 pm
After taking a quick nap, I realized that I can get a better estimate of the number of times that one holds a pair of aces by calculating that there are 103,776 natural hands with exactly two aces in them and then subtracting out the number of each of these hands that also had two aces:  full houses, 4-card royals, 4-card straight flushes, 4-card flushes, two pair hands, 3-card straight flushes with 543-JT9 and 432 and 5x2-Qx9, and 3-card royals with no aces.That left me with 81,504 hands where we would draw to a pair of aces. As I suggested in the earlier post, the exact number makes no difference.  This figure does not change the breakeven progressive amount by even a single quarter and does not affect the EVs that I calculated earlier until the 12th decimal place for the $50,000 jackpot and the 11th for the $80,000 jackpot.
$50000 should be 97.66%, $80000 should be 97.94%

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Post by Webman »

Quite the cast of characters in this old thread. Many are missed.

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damule wrote:
Tue Feb 22, 2011 6:10 pm
All depends on what you're financially comfortable with. I've had trips when the economy was good where I'd be down over $10k playing multi-play dollars and I moved up to $2 or $5 to try and get back. Sometimes it would work, sometimes I'd get smacked worse. Only you can answer the question what you're comfortable with as far as bankroll and money management is concerned. For myself now, I try to set win/loss parameters and stick with them. However, this is much easier said than done and I'll give you an example:
 
You decide you're going to play 3-play quarters DDB ($3.75/deal). You put $300 in to begin with and you decide if you double it you'll stop or if you lose it you'll stop. Three hands in you get dealt 3 aces which you hold and catch a quad with a kicker. Your credit meter reads $792.50. You have now more than doubled your win limit for that session, what do you do? Your spouse is off shopping or in the spa or doing whatever, the room isn't cleaned yet by room service, you've been looking forward to this trip for months, it's a 9/6 paytable and nowhere else nearby has this game. What do you do? The right answer is cash out and go walk around or people watch or sit in a lounge and sip on your favorite beverage for an hour or so. The wrong answer is what myself and 99% of you out there do. We say to ourselves: "gee I'm $192 over my win limit, I can play this down to $600" or "I've waited weeks or months for this trip and I want to play more" or "I can switch to 5-play and hit another quad and get to $1000." What happens next:
 
We continue to play. The results will vary. Rarely we keep getting nice hits and the credits keep moving up. Most times we get quickly down to that magical number, $600 in this case, and we play a hand look at the meter and it shows $598.50. Now what, we need to get back over $600, should only take a few hands. I'll switch back to 3-play. Next thing we know the meter shows $487.00. You see where I'm going with this. If we have enough discipline we stop before we lose all our winnings and the $300 we started with. Worse case is we lose what we started with and start putting more in. Does any of this sound familiar to anybody or everybody?
 
Bottom line is all about discipline. Think about how much more our bankrolls would be if we all payed attention to our limits. This is the dark side of video poker. It is gambling, it is a risk, it is addictive. I have not been able to master my discipline yet. I know this for certain, those that do master their discipline are the true experts at this game.
 
 

You are SO correct. For myself, just last weekend, had $40 in free play. After 10 or 15 minutes of using the house's $40 (8/5 Jacks or Better, 5 coin max, 25 cents per coin), I had a 4 of a kind and was suddenly at like $180-something ... played on.. went down, then up, then down, then up (lowest was around $80), varying the coin values between $0.25, $0.50 and $1, always playing the 5-coin max of course. Then after around 2 hours of playing (with a few 3 or 5 minute breaks to get a drink and go to the bathroom), I had decided to move the coin value up to $0.50 or $1 at around $100 balance, and if I were to go down to a zero balance (I'm thinking to myself), then I've still lost nothing, I will have had a good time playing and would've been given a good number of hands/chances to hit the ultimate goal of the (1 in 600,000 odds) royal flush. Well, after moving up the coin values to strictly $0.50 and $1, I was up to a $203 balance pretty quickly (within maybe 10 to 15 minutes). So I quit. Went and got a drink. Thought to head back home. Sat down and decided to just play around a few minutes on one of those damn super ultimate video poker games that allows you to bet an additional 6th coin for a chance of getting a multiplier in your hand. Biggest mistake of the night. I was angry when my balance got down to under 100 dollars within 30 minutes, so I played angrily with emotion, trying to win back the balance to a decent amount. Well the damn game dragged on and on and on, slowly bring me down until I was out of my original free play. So then, although I was a little upset, I decided to go back to my normal jacks or better and put in the first $100 I had brought with me of a $200 bankroll. Things just went south from there, although quite slowly. Ended up taking another $300 from an ATM. Got down a little more, until the additional $300 was nearly gone (low point was around $25 balance remaining on the additional $300, so I was looking at nearly $500 in the red at the lowest point). Started to bring it up and eventually was doing well again (getting good hands and steadily winning back losses). Then the casino suddenly closed . Machine said "offline" and the closing announcement was made. It was 4am (smaller gaming casino, closes at 4am sun-thurs, 6am fri-sat, reopens at 8am everyday). They usually announce closing 30 minutes and 15 minutes in advance. But they didn't for whatever reason. I was mad. Very frustrating. Ended up losing around $300 total. Should have taken my $200 in winnings without even getting into my own bankroll, I would have $500 that I now do not have! Hehe... I'm usually quite good with discipline and sticking to my cutoff points (whether they be on my losing cutoff or winning cutoff). My struggle happens when I get angry or frustrated and let my emotion rule my thoughts. It really does affect the concentration and makes it hard to play by the strategy correctly.

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Post by New2vp »

Sorry to hear this, Jay. I think that somewhere in the DNA of very competitive people is a refusal-to-lose mentality. That probably helps in some ventures. And once in a while you can hit the big hand that fills you with relief, recoups your losses, and even sends you home with a few more dollars than you started with. But it really hurts sometimes.

I wish I had an answer for you. I think part of it for me is a tendency to keep score rather than spend a given amount of time playing at a given denomination regardless of the score. I know leaving the ATM card in the car doesn't always work. It just makes for a longer trip as you have to walk back and forth from your car to retrieve the card. Good luck in the upcoming holiday season.

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Webman wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:40 pm
Quite the cast of characters in this old thread. Many are missed.
Webman, I agree they , and others, are missed. Would be interesting to know why they are no longer here, (illness, death, loss of interest, disgust with something, etc.

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