"IF YOU BELIEVE IT'S RIGGED, WHY PLAY?"

[edog743]

So are you saying sir that these Cheat programs no longer exist? That would be quite contrary to what you have stated in the past. you said they do in fact exist. As far as my results here you are in fact correct I view every non first place session in a contest a total and complete failure. There are multiple people on this site that win contests usually more than one on a yearly basis every year. I have called for many investigations into this on your part. Also a fact known by you and I. NO ONE IS THAT LUCKY WITHOUT HELP. Thanks DA now you have me in a peeing contest with Webman again

[Tedlark]

Better pee quick; the snow is melting fast.....

[DaBurglar]

All games offered in legitimate casinos undergo enormous scrutiny to ensure they are not rigged.

Should a rigged machine ever be discovered, the casino operating it would put their gaming license at risk and risk losing it, their business and more. The cost far exceeds any relatively minute gain from offering a rigged machine.No kidding.....I don't think anyone has ever disputed the simple truth in this statement.   I 100% agree that this is the IDEAL, and that this is how it is SUPPOSED to work.   I also agree that in Nevada this is the reality.....anything truly unfair or illegal in any of the states casinos generally gets discovered and addressed right away.     But on today's modern server systems, where global detailed control resides in the hands of one or a few people wherever the casino's system control room is setup, the actual methods and means to manipulate or mess with normal expected results DO exist and are easily implemented, and then hidden, and then implemented again whenever a casino  and/or its employees has the reason, inkling or will to do it.....if a person ever has operated and managed server-based systems (as I have) then you know what I am talking about.In atlantic city however, there is no such feeling of certainty nor anything like the integrity and consistency that you find in Las Vegas or even Reno.   It's just not there....I am pretty sure strong consistent, meaningful oversight USED to be the standard in AC, but since the crash of the AC market monopoly (and that city's refusal/inability to fight back, effectively that is) starting around 2007-2008, things have changed drastically.    Gone are the in-house agents (at least three were required 24/7 to be present, with more on busy periods or special events) that used to be in EVERY AC casino in their own booth right in the middle of the casino floor....From the opening of casinos in AC in 1979 right thru Gov Christie's inauguration in 2010 the NJ Gaming commission viewed it essential and important for there to be this constant in house presence.....and then in literally an instant, it was decided to COMPLETELY eliminate them.....I have asked WHY this was decided, never received anything remotely like a sensible reasonable answer; perhaps Gov Christie supplied all AC casino Executives with honesty & integrity pills.   While the in house agents were eliminated, there was a simultaneous DRASTIC cutting and laying off within the ENTIRE NJ Gaming Commission, up to 80% reductions across the board including the at large agents outside the casinos.    Poof, just like that......the stated reason for this was the usual Republican spiel on deregulation, cutting waste etc.   There was tremendous pressure in 2010 to cope with the HUGE decline in money coming into NJ coffers from all the casino business LOST to Pennsylvania, so they gutted the agency directly responsible for overseeing the casinos so that the reduced amount of money the state was STILL getting from the casinos would not be spent overseeing the casinos......yeah right.Coincidentally, it was right about this time, 2011 that I truly began to see  the absurd statistical results on all the VP games I allowed myself to play (which were predominantly "good" games like 8/5 BP and 9/6/5 DDB, and a few good progressives  etc.)     Overall it was just awfully bad results that never really changed or improved, for nearly 5 years.   I had never experienced such poor results of that magnitude and time frame......Look, I have been over this many times before, years ago.My point is in AC at least, I can certainly CONCEIVE of specific casinos being able to perpetrate and get away with messing with their games for whatever short term goal or reason they feel such action to be necessary for.....desperation can indeed yield such things, and I believe that some of the lousy results I saw (and others saw) during this time, could have been due to such activity.....they are extremely unlikely to be "Caught", and even if they were, what do you think really is going to happen in AC????   C'mon....Hence that is why I curtailed a lot of my VP play and visits to AC.....that along with the closures of Casinos, the deterioration of the Boardwalk and the NON -casino attractions in AC, and the overall decline in SERVICE quality, food quality, room quality  etc.       I'm aware AC has seemingly turned a small corner in the past year, a couple casinos are reopening, etc.  so we'll see what happens .....

[b74]

Ok take this scenario. Slot supervisor has a friend who plays vp. Slot supervisor figures out a way to ensure his friend is on the receiving end of a better session. Slot supervisor makes 40 k a year. He watches millions of dollars go through these machines in that year. His friend has no problem sharing the winnings because he knows why he’s winning more. Just sayin

[DaBurglar]

Ok take this scenario. Slot supervisor has a friend who plays vp. Slot supervisor figures out a way to ensure his friend is on the receiving end of a better session. Slot supervisor makes 40 k a year. He watches millions of dollars go through these machines in that year. His friend has no problem sharing the winnings because he knows why he’s winning more. Just sayin

Hmm, I'd agree that the motivation and temptation is there....the scenario you describe is in fact what can and does happen when crooked dealers at table games conspire to "help" friends who play at their table.

How a mere slot supervisor in today's modern casinos, though, would or could mess with either a individual VP machine, or the server that controls them, to perpetrate this is beyond my imagination....

[edog743]

As far doing in your terms quite well here I have placed in the top ten in the weekly once. I have placed in the top 100 a few times in the monthly. I believe I have made it to the second round of the 7 star twice. I have not qualified for the TOC since the first one. That irked you so much that you changed the rules to prevent that from happening again.If that is doing quite well I would love to read your definition of bad or mediocre.

[billryan]

One of my neighbors is a slot supervisor at The Flamingo.
On the surface, he appears to be happily married, and they have two well mannered children.
Like many young couples, money seems to be tight.
How selfish can this guy be to allow strangers to be winning when he could easily arrange for a cut out to win more than enough money to put his family in a much better lifestyle.
I think I'll forward this thread to his wife and let her see what kind of a selfish rick she is married to.

[Tedlark]

The slot supervisor gets caught as they are seen on one of the cameras. The slot supervisor loses their gaming license and goes to jail. Has to the kids why they will have a parent behind bars foer a couple years with no job prospects when they get released because of the felony record.

Yep, it's so worth it.....

[b74]

The point is that there will always be motives and possibilities. It just may not fit into your “safety” confidence category that keeps you cycling thousands of dollars through on a weekly basis. Therefore it is a threat. At the same time very possible.

[b74]

The slot supervisor gets caught as they are seen on one of the cameras. The slot supervisor loses their gaming license and goes to jail. Has to the kids why they will have a parent behind bars foer a couple years with no job prospects when they get released because of the felony record.

Yep, it's so worth it.....
Some people think robbing a bank is worth it....Do you?
People put everything on the line every day get caught and go to prison. What’s your point ?