alterating the martin gale!

[stevel96a1]

by the way love the new look on the website good job Webman

for all you Gronbogs and Bill ryans out there yes i know betting systems will fail blah blah, i just saved you two 3minutes of posting!

now lets get to the good stuff!

heres what i got and converted i was watching a video on youtube on blackjack hosted by Barney Vinson, he said he saw a player use a betting system double up after a 5, 10,20,40,80, he later said he saw him bet 620$ just to win 5$. what he said made sense to me 620$ to win 5$ doesn't make sense in the least especially since its not safe or water proor. then i read another post how this guy used the oscars grind on blackjack forum, he said as long as you have another level to go to you can not lose. well sure enough i took his system and applied it to double double bonus poker and the results are in

win poker mind you

69k hands -9kcredts 0.25
30k hands +4500 0.50
23k hands -9k 0.25
7k hands +5910 0.50
10k hands +3300 0.25
20k hands 6k+ 0.25
160k hands -9k 0.25
74k hands +4735 0.50

as long as i have a boat load of money and another denomination to move to 0.25.50.1$ 2$ etc etc i should be ok using the oscars grind and moving up and down w/ my wins and losses

the results above are a drop in the bucket compared to billions of hands but its a start and well see where it goes. i didn't like the idea betting 620$ risking that much for a measly 5$ chip but i do like the idea moving 0.25 to 0.50 and earning a woopin 2k$ pay out

[FloridaPhil]

for all you Gronbogs and Bill ryans out there yes i know betting systems will fail blah blah, i just saved you two 3minutes of posting!

The primary objective of any alternative VP strategy it not always making a profit. A player wishes to modify the game to obtain a certain result. The desired result could be to see "more royals", to "play more hands on a budget" or have a chance at a "bigger jackpot than his bankroll supports". As long as the player knows the odds are against him winning long term, I see nothing wrong with using any strategy. We should teach people the math behind VP so they can make these decisions with full knowledge of what they are doing. We have no business telling them how to play VP with their own money.

[Gronbog]

The problem with any progression-based system is that the typical pattern of results is many small wins in a row followed by a catastrophic loss. The many small wins give you a false sense of security that the system is winning. The catastrophic loss leaves you with no bankroll remaining or hopelessly behind.

When simulating progression systems, it is important to record the maximum amount the system was in the hole before it recovered and what the largest bet made was during that sequence. Would you have the ability (betting limits), the money (bankroll) or the guts to get that far behind and still make those bets? This is where these systems fail in live play.

I think that Steve understands this but wants to try anyway. That's up to him. I wish him good luck, because he's going to need it. I also hope that he reports back on his experience, win or lose.

[Tedlark]

But steve also hit the nail on the head by saying that all he needed was a boatload of money and machines that have the capability of going up to denominations that may be needed to recoup prior losses.

Best of luck to you in actual casino play steve.

[stevel96a1]

ahh hell i always wanted to play 2$ table video poker or 10$ a hand and watch that 8 k royal pop up and recover everything, i know most of you play upwards of 5$ so why not? i know martin galing 5,10,20,40, etc on its on , on an even money type of game, but towards a game like video poker when the game is stretched out bankrolls and winnings the results aren't half bad. i could always cap it at the 2$ table.

id say the simulation i have listed about is roughly a months worth of play on video poker

will i be that unlucky i will hit a losing streak right off the bat early in first day? more testings will be needed

[stevel96a1]

Gron wheres Bill your buddy backing you up? just kidding!

ran more simulations and the 99.45 is holding up like a beast, man i wish i could win like that in the casino, i always seem to be a winner on the kitchen table on video poker but never blackjack
even my phone app november31st i can beat it easily but in the casino seems like a boxong ring,

gonna run my system through my phone will report back when the results are in

[case]

Steve I really did not understand the numbers in your opening post but it really doesn't matter I guess. What I wanted to ask you was did you get to Vegas yet or is that trip later in the year?

[stevel96a1]

Vegas is in august 23, still planning to play FPDW, 69k hands -9kcredts 0.25

game double double bonus aces and faces 99.45
hands played 69,000 loss/win -9000 credits 0.25 is a dollar and twenty five cents

the rest is self explained, i did this later after i posted and seems to me i am martin galing bank rolls not marting galing bets. i guess i can still fall victim to a bad run regardless but seems to me its going strong

i ran the test on win poker i should try wolf poker but its harder to start/stop brakes on it,

oh i like to allocate 9k credits to each roll
9k quarters , 9k 50cents, 9k dollars etc etc i think i need around 16k to begin and follow through with the system, iv'e seen win poker swallow 20k credits kinda fast on ddbac without spitting anything back out, is why i choose 9k

[FloridaPhil]

Martingale and CS are fun ways to play video poker. Not everyone realizes this. When you have worked your way up to a big bet and hit the deal button, the excitement level increases. When you actually hit a big jackpot, it's better than sex (at least that's what they tell me). I have spend years working with bet juggling VP strategies. I have had some great experiences along the way. I have had years that were profitable and years that were not. Lifetime, they have not been profitable.

The problem is there is no way to predict when a jackpot or a winning streak will occur. You don't know it's happening until it's over. Patterns don't work either, because the machine always seems to know when to throw you a curve.

I still enjoy playing CS on occasion. I use it to play $5 machines one $20 bill at a time. Yes it's true, I occasionally play $5 games. I don't sit on them long. If I hit anything good and it has happened, I walk with my profit. Winning this way is pure luck and I know it.

[stevel96a1]

instead of risking 16k or more, i am testing single coin and working my way up to 0.50 and upwards of that. after i fill a book of testing and if i see what i like or don't like i will make my decision.

this would take forever without winpoker software lol but the results so far are truly amazing, seems as long it guesses right as long as the martin gale has another level to go to, the test should hold