Comps for the low budget gambler

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
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olds442jetaway
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Re: Comps for the low budget gambler

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Oh yeah. I remember about the ctrs 10 k system. Never had that much with me as our trips there were mainly vacation that usually ended up being more gambling than anything else. Love it there though. Very expensive to go nowdays, but it is on our list if we ever get back to normal whatever that is. We always stayed at the same place, but enjoyed walking up and down Palm Coast to play in the Raddison and trips to town where the locals played. 9/6 job nickels at the time. It was great. One of the best things was pre cell phome days. Nobody to bother you.

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:07 pm
Correct. Begins at 6 am. Ends 5:59 pm.
My mind probably is playing tricks with me, or I wasn't paying that much attention, but I thought I was told until 6 am the next morning (5:59 am).

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OTABILL wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 10:45 pm
olds442jetaway wrote:
Sun May 10, 2020 3:07 pm
Correct. Begins at 6 am. Ends 5:59 pm.
My mind probably is playing tricks with me, or I wasn't paying that much attention, but I thought I was told until 6 am the next morning (5:59 am).
Darn typos :lol:

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Post by olds442jetaway »

Yep typos. 5:59 am. Ends. Sorry

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Mon May 11, 2020 7:23 am
Yep typos. 5:59 am. Ends. Sorry
No problem. I make typos all the time. :)

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Post by julian-c »

"Time on device" and "gaming day" are the most relevant concepts in this thread. ADT always rules the day, though. I can see average session time (defined as the average amount of time between inserting and removing the card, with consistent action in between) being a legitimate metric, but nowhere close to the predominant one. Also, I see the session time metric being more of a thing for bigger players because of scale, and that session time matters more for the player actively requesting something like a dining comp.

A "hit and run" in the casino is almost always related to the gaming day as a whole -- for example, dropping by on the way home for work 1-2 days per week to use free play and run through a $20 -- not to machine hopping. I just can't see being comp-punished for playing, within a single gaming day, five sessions of 57 minutes each compared to having two sessions of about 2:15 each. The casino can make money off of both of these styles of play management.

The "eyeball test" here is the elapsed amount of time the player spends on property. This is why the quarter VP player who grinds away for three hours on single-line 7/5 Bonus would more likely earn a $15 F&B credit and $20 FP than someone who plays $2 denom on the same game for about 20 minutes, and way more likely than someone who YOLOs at $25 denom for about two minutes. How each of those players divides up their time on device is less relevant -- though splitting up the total daily TOD into multiple sessions spread out throughout the day maximizes time on property. More time on property means more opportunity to get more money out of the player. Machine hopping often means more time walking the property -- which in turn means more exposure to amenities, which translates into more spend. That three-hour grinder might stay on propery a bit longer to go put some of those hard-earned comp dollars and/or points (from play, separate from any front-end offers) toward... well... a grinder. After that meal, the player is still on property -- more exposure to playing longer.

Comps are enticements to perpetuate commitment. TOD is often the predominant threshold metric for determining comps because the player is the one who initiates the feedback loop. Additionally, this is what weeds out the "hit and run" players who are less likely to commit time on property (which is really exposure to spending money on property).

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olds442jetaway wrote:
Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:27 pm
How would you guys lije to run 2m a year through the casino and not even have an assigned host. Their answer is always.... just talk to whomever is on duty. I have had 0 success in that area. They all seem afraid of their own shadow. I don’t ask for much. Once in awhile a dinner voucher, but if you had one in the last year or so they just say forget. It is my opinion that playing strictly video poker is what causes them to be so stingy with comps. The automated system gives me midweek rooms sometimes but weekend rooms finished a year or so ago. The automated system also gives you access to second grade Shows and a little bit of FreePlay not very much maybe 50 bucks a week or so. I also think going to the casino four or five days a week does not help because they must buy now figure I’m going to come anyway no matter what
You play 2 million dollars a year through the machines and you never even got approached by a host? Dang, I've heard of some people who get approached by one without asking at the 300k level :lol: You need to change casinos or chase them down! Email and call them. You should be getting serious freeplay, free rooms, meals each time you go, etc. 2 million a year also usually gets you the top tier players card at most casinos. That alone should have the host's attention!

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julian-c wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 11:02 am
"Time on device" and "gaming day" are the most relevant concepts in this thread. ADT always rules the day, though. I can see average session time (defined as the average amount of time between inserting and removing the card, with consistent action in between) being a legitimate metric, but nowhere close to the predominant one. Also, I see the session time metric being more of a thing for bigger players because of scale, and that session time matters more for the player actively requesting something like a dining comp.

A "hit and run" in the casino is almost always related to the gaming day as a whole -- for example, dropping by on the way home for work 1-2 days per week to use free play and run through a $20 -- not to machine hopping. I just can't see being comp-punished for playing, within a single gaming day, five sessions of 57 minutes each compared to having two sessions of about 2:15 each. The casino can make money off of both of these styles of play management.

The "eyeball test" here is the elapsed amount of time the player spends on property. This is why the quarter VP player who grinds away for three hours on single-line 7/5 Bonus would more likely earn a $15 F&B credit and $20 FP than someone who plays $2 denom on the same game for about 20 minutes, and way more likely than someone who YOLOs at $25 denom for about two minutes. How each of those players divides up their time on device is less relevant -- though splitting up the total daily TOD into multiple sessions spread out throughout the day maximizes time on property. More time on property means more opportunity to get more money out of the player. Machine hopping often means more time walking the property -- which in turn means more exposure to amenities, which translates into more spend. That three-hour grinder might stay on propery a bit longer to go put some of those hard-earned comp dollars and/or points (from play, separate from any front-end offers) toward... well... a grinder. After that meal, the player is still on property -- more exposure to playing longer.

Comps are enticements to perpetuate commitment. TOD is often the predominant threshold metric for determining comps because the player is the one who initiates the feedback loop. Additionally, this is what weeds out the "hit and run" players who are less likely to commit time on property (which is really exposure to spending money on property).
This makes a lot of sense. I've been punished before for playing for only 30 minutes at a high denom, yet my coin in was similar to normal play. I notice the comps mailers really hit when u do a 4 to 6 hour night :lol:

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Post by FAA »

Olds, “buy now figure I’m going to come anyway no matter what” is a priceless Freudian slip of a typo!

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