Something to Think About

[Vman96]

I have no problem with getting a tiny or no check. So many people are paycheck to paycheck. I try not to be judgmental, but unfortunately, I know quite a few “ paycheck to paycheck “ people who are that way because they are covered with tattoos, think nothing of 200 bar nights with 14 dollar drinks, and of course spend a ton on smokes. Oh I forgot. They have to have that 1200 dollar cell phone. Boy am I gonna carch flack for this post.

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And our economy is heavily based on people like this. Spending unfortunately drives our economy a LOT.

But I'm not gonna give you flak for looking down upon at these types that you likely think you are extreme. I agree. However, with some of your gaming habits, particularly in the past, your expected hourly loss rate wasn't something to just ignore either. Sure you got free rooms, but was it enough to cover your theo?

You played and paid for entertainment. Just like these poorer people go to these various places and buy various things for the same. You may be more responsible over it because you have more money to burn and valued having money more, but the economy really doesn't care that people save. In today's economy, that tends to weaken it. See 2008-2009 crisis.

[davidearl]

You had me at Einstein, then you lost me!
If you travel faster than the speed of light, you can travel through time? I don't believe so. If you travel twice the speed of light, that's 186000 miles per half second. Still time involved.
Time travel makes great movies though. Makes for a fun debate too.

[FloridaPhil]

We agreed that the long term math predictions don't apply to short term play and that the role of luck starts out as almost 100% and ends up as almost 0% as you play more and more hands.

Our disagreement lies in the last part of your statement. "Almost 0%" is a problem for me. Also, your definition of long term is indeterminate.

I believe the influence of luck in video poker never goes away completely. I do not know how long "long term" is, but I believe it is much closer to infinity than any amount of possible human play.

Consider this. In a previous post, I outlined a small list of video poker anomalies. None of these anomalies is verifiable but one. At this point in time, I have 44,453 credits playing video poker every day on this website. The game I play is TDB. I have been playing video poker on this website for years. I play 500-1000 credits each day. Webman can verify this.

This game is about as close to playing with an advantage as I will ever get. It is still slightly negative. I have an unlimited bankroll playing this game. I can ride out all the ups and downs no matter how severe. I never need to change games or take a pot shot. There are no comps.

Like everyone, I started out with 10,000 credits. Currently, I have a 34,453 credit profit. Playing quarters, this would be $8,613.25. Playing dollars, this would be $34,453. Playing $5 games, this would be $172,265. Playing $100 a coin, this would be an astounding $3,455,300! If I did this in a real casino, I am positive I would have been banned long before now.

I am a 73 year old man that wears glasses and takes naps in the afternoon. I have no idea if I am playing this game computer perfect. I didn't need comps or incentives to claim a profit. According to your math, am I doomed to lose my profit before I die?

[Waiting4RF]

One I remember reported not hitting a royal flush in ten years of play. What other explanation could there be except bad luck?

Here's one - they don't play a lot.

You are both wrong since I was the one who made the 10 year remark. What I said was I have never hit a single line royal flush in 10 years going to Vegas and Laughlin nor did my wife during that time-span. We played over 99.9% of the time/hands DDB quarters. We made numerous trips, at least 20, and played extensively, hour on end most of the time we were in either place. Having said that, both of us hit royals during that period at casinos here in Arizona. Of course we played much more here in Arizona. Ironically we hit a joint royal fooling around in the casino on a cruise ship during that time frame as well. To be completely honest, once in Vegas we played triple play nickels for about 1/2 hour and both of us hit royals. So while between the 2 of us we played a hell of a lot but the 10 years only referred to Nevada.

OTABILL, Thanks for setting the record straight again on the 10 years without a royal. You told all of us that before but some of us may not have seen it or remembered it.

[Carcounter]

My personal experience, since playing VP, starting in 1993. Average about 100,000-125,000 hands per year and have only had one year without a royal. Many years I was over-royaled. Several million hands, so a pretty big sample size.

[FloridaPhil]

Royals are not always what determines a profit or loss. The majority of my 34,000 point profit came from four aces with a kicker. I believe the computer TDB strategy calls for holding the kicker if you are dealt 3 aces with it. I never do this. I hold the three aces alone. It is magnitudes better to be lucky than skilled.

[Jstark]

Variance, or "luck" as some peole call it, can't be relied upon to pay the bills.

[FloridaPhil]

I think anyone who relies on video poker to pay their bills is a fool. I am currently 8 1/2 royals ahead of a game I never play except on this website. I could just as easily be 8 1/2 royals behind.

There could be numerous explanations. Is it possible the games on this website are rigged to produce more jackpots? Is it possible the games in the casino are rigged to the casino's advantage? Is it possible luck is more influential than skill? There may be other possibilities?

[Jstark]

I think anyone who relies on video poker to pay their bills is a fool. I am currently 8 1/2 royals ahead of a game I never play except on this website. I could just as easily be 8 1/2 royals behind.

There could be numerous explanations. Is it possible the games on this website are rigged to produce more jackpots? Is it possible the games in the casino are rigged to the casino's advantage? Is it possible luck is more influential than skill? There may be other possibilities?

That game you're playing, nobody would play for profit.

As shown by me and others, there are plenty of games and ways to make a nice tidy loving off of. Some people just are blind.

[FloridaPhil]

It's easy for people to make claims without offering proof. In this case, we have actual proof showing that luck exists. If I quit playing on this website tomorrow, I can claim I beat this casino forever and the game isn't even positive.