Must Go VP RF Jackpot

[OTABILL]

This subject was discussed in a recreational play thread. I have seen VP machines at Red Rock with this feature. I understand similar machines are at other station casinos as well. How can the casino guarantee an RF is hit before the jackpot reaches a certain dollar amount with a random number generator governing outcome?

[oobla]

It's as Vman96 said in the other thread,a winner is randomly selected by computer to award the jackpot to.No royal needs to be hit.

[Onenickelmiracl]

Is it only paid on losing hands? Or only winning hands?

[oobla]

As far as I know,it doesn,t matter.The only time I've ever seen it,it wasn't just VP ,but all machines in the casino and the jackpot was awarded randomly to someone,with the only requirement being that you had to have your card in the machine.I'm don't know if Stations casinos work the same way,as I've never been there.

[Vman96]

It's as Vman96 said in the other thread,a winner is randomly selected by computer to award the jackpot to.No royal needs to be hit.

Right, that jackpot is randomly awarded. The machine even advertises, win the jackpot even when you lose!

[Onenickelmiracl]

I just wondered if the casino had it set up to either avoid hand pays or create them. If it was only on a win, quarter level, a few hands would cause them. If it were on losing hands, never a hand pay, and people might take dives trying to get it.

[Onenickelmiracl]

Just for curiosity's sake, is this put right in the credit bank, in free play, or hand paid $1000 with tax paperwork?

[BobDancer]

I haven't been following the conversation on the Recreational Forum --- so perhaps some of my comments are repeats of what someone else has said.My experience with this at Station Casinos happened about 10 years ago. At the time it was called "Jumbo Jackpot" with a "must hit by $100,000" feature. I collected for $98K and change once. This was a "mega" jackpot across all of the Vegas properties.As I understood it then, the machine was set to pick a number randomly within the parameters of $50K - $100K. There are parameters set by the casino on meter rise and how often they want it to go off during the promotion. Here's the way I think it worked. Let's say the machine randomly picks a number of $74,432.4300000000000 at which it will "go off." Every coin-in on every machine, multiplied by some very small factor, gets added to the pot. Eventually the pot gets big enough and whoever added the coin that made it hit the magic number, that's the winner.I believe that if you are betting $5 per hand you are four times as likely to hit the jackpot as if you are betting $1.25 a hand --- given the same speed of play. This was never explicitly stated by the casino, but I believe that's the way it worked. My one win (which is WAY WAY too small a sample size to conclude anything, I was betting $100 per pull on a $5 Multi Strike machine.)The South Point has two of these going simultaneously this month --- and they've run very similar promotions several times in the past --- one from $10K - $25K and one from $1K to $2.5K. I've never won one of these but I'm sure the machine locks up (even when the jackpot is under $1,200) and you are hand-paid. If the smaller jackpot is under $1,200 you probably don't get a W2G along with it.At the South Point, if you're playing when the larger one is hit and you're not the lucky one, you get $25 in free play just for playing. EV-wise, the $25 per person when it hits is worth more than the actual jackpot. I've won that numerous times and that is always loaded directly to your account.Way back when all coin-in could make you a winner. now, at the South Point anyway, you must have bet at least $1 in the previous minute to be eligible to win. In the past, you had players sometimes playing a penny at a time on two machines --- one penny every 45 seconds or so --- who were guaranteed $25 when the jackpot went off. The casino decided it didn't want this sort of business and rather than kick these players out, they are told that they are welcome to play but they are ineligible to win because of the rules. This usually stops their play.

[OTABILL]

Thanks Bob, Vman and Oobia for clarifying this matter. The wording by the VP machines could be interpreted as meaning the royal would hit. Glad that isn't the case.