beatable 9/6 Job?

[stevel96a1]

is it possible to beat a 9/6 job??

ive gotten 3 royal flushes this year hardly played

first royal needed around 200$ (tdb) sands pa

2nd needed 30$ aces and faces ballys

and third 25$ aces and faces at ballys (1 day apart)

im thinking i should have played .50cents and dollar on my last royal and parlay my previous winnings? i can't imagine casions would permit JoB to be beatable but is it money wise?

[BobDancer]

9/6 JoB has a 0.456% house edge. The game itself will hold that --- or more, for most folks, because of strategy errors. You will not beat the game by itself over the long run.Casinos, however, offer slot clubs and promotions. It is DEFINITELY possible that these add up to more than 0.46% at some casinos some of the time.Including slot clubs and promotions, I am ahead more than $2 million on this game over the past 20+ years. On the game itself, I am behind almost a half percent (which figures!) --- including more than 400 royal flushes on this game. Casinos do not make as many mistakes as they used to, but they still make them and video poker is a beatable game for people who can find and exploit them.Please note, your actual results over three royals is a VERY small sample and not indicative of anything you can depend on.

[wildman49]

9/6 JoB has a 0.456% house edge. The game itself will hold that --- or more, for most folks, because of strategy errors. You will not beat the game by itself over the long run.Casinos, however, offer slot clubs and promotions. It is DEFINITELY possible that these add up to more than 0.46% at some casinos some of the time.Including slot clubs and promotions, I am ahead more than $2 million on this game over the past 20+ years. On the game itself, I am behind almost a half percent (which figures!) --- including more than 400 royal flushes on this game. Casinos do not make as many mistakes as they used to, but they still make them and video poker is a beatable game for people who can find and exploit them.Please note, your actual results over three royals is a VERY small sample and not indicative of anything you can depend on.

Bob have heard you play NSUD as well, is it due to the higher pay table then JOB?

[BobDancer]

9/6 JoB returns 99.54% when played well. (I found it humorous that one frequent poster said he was amazed that I said I had lost almost a half percent long term playing this game. Duh! What do you think 99.54% means?) Of course, casino benefits of various stripes has put me well into positive territory.NSU DW returns 99.73% when played well. (It's a MUCH harder game to play perfectly.)Those numbers are part of what makes up the decision of what game to play. Other important factors are;        1.    What games are available for what stakes at the particular casino I'm considering? Are those the stakes you want to play? If you're a nickel player, it doesn't matter what games the casino offers for dollars --- and vice versa. No two casinos have exactly the same mix of games.          2.    What are the parameters of the slot club? Are there mailers? Are there promotions? Can the promotions be doubled up --- such as multiple points, entries into one or more drawings, and at the same time qualify for bonus rounds in a tournament of some sort? (Someone on this site says you can get value from casino raffles. I've never seen a raffle in a casino. And I've been doing this for almost 25 years.) Each casino has its own mix of benefits. An intelligent player studies the slot club and benefits as much as he studies how to play the games. You can ignore these casino gimmees if you wish, but doing so guarantees you are playing a losing game. That may or may not be important to you --- but it's very important to me.         3.    Are comps and/or other benefits earned at equal rates on the two games? If players playing NSU get much smaller mailers than players playing JoB for the same amount of play, that could affect the decision.         4.    How well do I know the games? in my case, I know both of these games essentially perfectly. But in the past year I've played a lot of Double Double Bonus, Super Double Bonus, Bonus Poker Deluxe, Bonus Poker, and a couple of other games. In the five years previous to that, there were probably 6-8 additional games I played heavily a lot for at least one promotion. Nobody knows all games perfectly all the time. If one of these games is the best one for a particular casino/promotion combination, it takes a while to learn it. At this point in my career I can learn a new game close to perfectly in a couple of hours. Earlier in my career this wasn't close to being true. You have to make decisions based on your particular set of skills and aptitude.          5.   Is there a better opportunity somewhere else? Occasionally a casino has a promotion that overwhelms what any other casino is offering. But this is not normally the case. Usually you need to need to choose between opportunities because you can't be in two places at the same time --- and different players value different things. In a couple of weeks, Bonnie and I are spending four days at a square dance convention. It doesn't matter what any casino is offering then.          6.    Does the casino punish you for playing a particular game by restricting your mailers or otherwise?          7.     Does the game + benefits package return more than 100%? If not, I'm not interested. If yes, by how much in terms of expected dollars per hour? A 100.3% opportunity for a $5 game is MUCH more lucrative than a 101% game for quarters.          8.   Am I bankrolled for the game I wish to play? Can I afford the swings both financially and psychologically? Does losing today cause me to make non-optimal decisions?           9.   Now we're getting close to the end of the calendar year, are there casinos where I "need" to play a certain amount to reach a certain tier level? If the tier level benefits are high enough, it could be worth it to play a slightly lesser game in order to reach the tier. If i don't value the tier benefits, I won't be playing for them unless they happen automatically when I'm playing for some other reason.         10.   Do I trust the casino? There are numerous long and tortuous threads here by players who are convinced that CET properties in AC don't deal on the up and up. I'm not interested in arguing with those players. (If I wanted to play in that area I'd collect my own data and discuss the matter with other intelligent players. I would generally ignore the comments of players I deemed to be not particularly knowledgeable. Filtering your sources is a key part to getting better. It's useless to trust everybody because people disagree.) But if I seriously believed a game to be unfair, I wouldn't set foot in the door. Having an expectation of a fair game is one of the keys to gambling intelligently.           11.  There are dozens of other factors to consider. I've been writing about this for years. Read the columns on bobdancer.com or gamblingwithanedge.com and you'll learn more of them. Often I describe virtually one-of-a-kind situations, but if you become familiar with a lot of these situations, you'll be better able to address the next one that comes along.

[Vman96]

Well said, Bob.

Totally hear you on number 10...haha