Harrah's Joliet 3-23-19

[rascal]

Tedlark, there was no criticism of you whatsoever intended in my posts. I was simply replying to the post from FAA that said: "Or in his case, consistent winner."

I feel that it is very important for players and would-be players to understand that there is no such animal in VP as "consistent winner" unless we can luck into the very rare situation where paytables + cash/comps equal >100% (and we play perfectly) and only play in that unique situation.

Occasional winning sessions are wonderful, and in no way was I taking away from your joy. I have also had a greatly inflated AGI, to the point where it would invite skeptical responses on this board. Despite the inflated AGI, I had many losing sessions that year --- many more losing sessions than winning sessions. It was a single winning hand of almost $75K that made me greatly plus for that year. So despite having a great year, in no way could I be termed a "consistent winner." As I wrote above, that animal does not exist in VP except for highly unusual situations. Once those highly unusual situations are taken advantage of, they are generally removed or modified, sadly.

[wilcoxfun]

Very nice trip!

[Waiting4RF]

The feature adds less than 0.01% to the return though. WTF IGT?

I saw an analysis years ago of Hot Roll that concluded the feature added 0% to the return.

[Vman96]

The feature adds less than 0.01% to the return though. WTF IGT?

I saw an analysis years ago of Hot Roll that concluded the feature added 0% to the return.

Yeah I know. Ugh. IGT chose the feature probability to be 1 in 6 which exactly balances out the average Hot Roll multiplier of 7X.

Average value of multipler over all dealt hands.
7 x 1/6 + 1 x 5/6 = 2

Since the bet is double to pay for the multipliers, there is no return increase in hot roll.

I had hoped they would increase the feature probability to something like 1 in 5.95 to slightly boost the return.

Basically the same idea applies to Double Big Wheel Poker:

6.05 x 1/5.049 + 1 x 4.049/5.049 = 2.000198059

Divide by 2 since it's double the bet, and stuff after the decimal point is the extra benefit if the base game is 100% return: 1.000099. Basically 0.01%. Grrr. The actual benefit is slightly lower since they aren't going to offer a 100% paytable. But I was pleased that a Native American casino with no nearby competition offered a 97.40% nickel game (97.41% with the feature lol).