i retract my statement about 97% DW

[stevel96a1]

If you think the right thing to do is quit so you go out a winner, I think it's a great idea

that one line pretty much summed it for me, for bart, for the lady who won 2.5mil on wheel of fortune
its called gambling with a disadvantage if you disagree with them and all the people who gambled at the lottery and won the jackpot thats your opinion you can call/label them lifetime losers.

i on the other hand call them winners at playing a bad game but in the end they won, isn't that what gambling is all about? you guys really do look down anyone who does not play a 100%+ game

just another angry guy who see someone wins a royal or jackpot and gets mad for shame =/

[FloridaPhil]

You know I'm in agreement with you, I've seen this going on for a while on this site. Basicly you're tagged an idiot if you choose to play where the only thing available is return games. I live in an area surrounded by casinos in three different states and there's not a positive return vp game anyhwere that I know of.

We seem to have two camps on this forum. Players who play negative games and players who won't admit to it. What this does is create a forum "elite members club". These members love telling us how stupid we are for playing the only games we have. They seem to enjoy throwing negativity on our jackpots.

I'm not moving to Vegas so I can play better video poker games. I hate the place. It's too dry, crowded, fake, overbuilt and there's nothing else to do but gamble. I need to see a real tree once in a while. I'm not going to be fool enough to play big games just because math says they're positive either. If you think you can beat the casino you are welcome to try. Leave me out.

If you are going to play video poker outside of a few casinos in Vegas, you are going to play negative games or you won't play. You can choose to lose big or lose small. The result is you are going to pay to play. NO strategy can fix that.

[Eduardo]

It seems to me Phil, billy and jstark are all saying the exact same thing here. Good job on winning in a session, but keep playing and that game will bite you. Or as Phil put it, "At 500 hands an hour you will hit a royal flush about every 90 hours or so. This means you are paying a little over two times a royal flush for every one you hit. Think about that the next time you cash a white ticket. "

How terrible of King phil. "Think about that the next time you cash a white ticket?" Why not let him just celebrate his win and ENJOY the white ticket?

"Enjoy that short term loan from the casino." - Someone offensive
"You can choose to lose big or lose small. The result is you are going to pay to play. NO strategy can fix that." - The King of sensitivity

How rude. He's just playing the only games he has. And he wants to call himself a winner and here you are calling him a guaranteed loser?

See how that works? The same words coming from one person here are offensive and from another they are GENIUS. Weird.

Oh course, Phil is right. The others are right too. People just have a big enough stick up their bums that they are going to be irritated no matter what. Sad.

[FloridaPhil]

Everyone on this forum is right about something. All our members including the experts should acknowledge that most players don't have positive VP games to play. If they did, we would all play them and no one would have to play single coin. Telling players not to play them is easy when you have full pay games a short drive away. It's also easy when your bankroll can support $5 games. That is the exception, not the rule. It is not the fault of the player that most casinos don't offer 100% games. What we could use is solid advice on how to play these games with less damage, not an attitude of "You're stupid if you do."

[stevel96a1]

i agree Phil that sums it up, these guys just dont understand where we come from and what we are up against

[onemoretry]

What we could use is solid advice on how to play these games with less damage, not an attitude of "You're stupid if you do."

Oh no! Are we about to start this again?

[Webman]

I was going to lock this as another thread that has turned into an unproductive discussion, but I will leave it open for now in case people want to respond to my thoughts below.

All our members including the experts should acknowledge that most players don't have positive VP games to play.

Phil... nobody disputes this fact. Nobody. I have no idea why you would have this perception. Every single advantage player or expert will tell you that positive opportunities are hard to come by and that most of the country has negative pay tables. They say so all the time. Stop saying things like this that mis-portray advantage players and experts.

What we could use is solid advice on how to play these games with less damage, not an attitude of "You're stupid if you do."

That's been done. The answer is simple. Play less or bet less. We don't need any more "solid advice" on this subject. Move on to something else.

As for the attitude of "you're stupid if you play these games" I generally don't see that here. Clearly some people do and there are exceptions, since discussion have been so heated lately and it goes both ways. But there is no shortage of threads of people sharing their experiences and great hits on negative machines that don't have any replies saying they are dumb for playing that game. Need an example? Try here:
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=10243
Or here:
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... =4&t=10237
Or here:
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... =5&t=10238
Or here:
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... f=5&t=8506

In fact, most topics on this forum have nothing to do with positive pay tables, despite what one person might say (this has been pointed out many many times).

Generally I only see these negative sorts of comments directed at people who have gotten into a war of words with other people first, so it goes back and forth. For example... this thread right here. The attitude of "hey advantage players, I am playing a negative game and I still won" will always get a response because... again, it misrepresents what people actually say. Nobody has ever said you can't have a winning session on a negative machine.

So... where do we go from here everyone? Can people lighten up a bit, each enjoy the game as they choose to, be respectful of each other? This negativity isn't good for anyone.

[I'mnotfrank]

Very well said Webman, I for one enjoy reading more than posting but I couldn't resist this time. I may have over exaggerated but it was the feeling I was getting just reading the banter back and forth. As I said earlier, I rarely play anymore but every once in a while I'll have to get my fix well aware of the consequences of playing negative return games.