Something to Think About

[FloridaPhil]

Why am I starting to feel like Phil Connors in the movie "Groundhog Day"?

Phil, in your redundant recent response you again did not give me an answer.You mention Beau Rivage and I previously asked you WHEN was the last time you got this trip comped, including everything you mentioned, even airfare.

Please, again, tell us small fish just what hospitality's casinos are giving those who play on the cheap just like you said they are getting.

Ted, I have a stack of offers on my desk from the Beau Rivage, all include airfare. Before the virus shutdown, the Beau Rivage trips were flying out of ten different Florida airports. I am sure we can sign up for one of these trips as soon as they become available. The Beau is not the only casino that sends us offers. We have been able to obtain comped rooms from MLIfe casinos, the Red Rock in Vegas, the Ameristar in Black Hawk and Harrahs Cherokee. Comped rooms are the easiest comp to obtain as long as you are flexible with your dates. Most of these offers come with free play and bonus points.

It is a common misconception that only high rollers can earn these comps. This is false. A retired husband and wife that both play quarter video poker are valued customers to a casino. Casinos are desperate for players like us. Since the Florida casinos also offer us free rooms, the casinos know they have to entice us to their facilities or we will keep our money in Florida. I expect when the casinos open back up, my mailman will be shoveling more offers into my mailbox.

If you are asking if we can receive these comps by playing single coin quarters, the answer is no. If the offer has value to us, I will play max coin quarters until I feel we have fulfilled our daily obligation. If and when I choose to switch to single coin play, I always pull my card.

[FloridaPhil]

4/9/2020 Session two

Starting Credits - 46,763
Ending Credits - 46,263

No quads.

[FloridaPhil]

As a followup question to my last post, I have always wondered if pulling my card when playing single coins hurts or helps my comps? I believe casinos calculate comps based on average coin-in over a specific time period. I suspect playing small reduces my overall average coin-in significantly. I believe it is better for the casino to think I stayed home rather than play that small. This is where an expert would be of great help to the average player if only they would choose to provide advice on playing negative games.

[Tedlark]

Why am I starting to feel like Phil Connors in the movie "Groundhog Day"?

Phil, in your redundant recent response you again did not give me an answer.You mention Beau Rivage and I previously asked you WHEN was the last time you got this trip comped, including everything you mentioned, even airfare.

Please, again, tell us small fish just what hospitality's casinos are giving those who play on the cheap just like you said they are getting.

If you are asking if we can receive these comps by playing single coin quarters, the answer is no. If the offer has value to us, I will play max coin quarters until I feel we have fulfilled our daily obligation. If and when I choose to switch to single coin play, I always pull my card.

Excuse me for culling your post a bit but I wanted to dig down to bedrock to get the paydirt (just like Parker Schnabel) from your post.

It took a while but you finally admitted what you haven't in your previous posts talking about how to play on the cheap in casinos. Casinos don't give hospitality's to those players who play on the cheap.

I am impressed by your overflowing stack of casino offers and I am ashamed to admit that I don't get the offers that you do. Even at my rate of play and coin in.

Hmm, this could lead me to call b.s. but you would most likely respond by deflecting with some story about you being a highly skilled tight rope walker so I will refrain.

[tech58]

As a followup question to my last post, I have always wondered if pulling my card when playing single coins hurts or helps my comps? I believe casinos calculate comps based on average coin-in over a specific time period. I suspect playing small reduces my overall average coin-in significantly. I believe it is better for the casino to think I stayed home rather than play that small. This is where an expert would be of great help to the average player if only they would choose to provide advice on playing negative games.

FP, i am not an "expert" by any means. But i believe that the question of how casinos rate players for comp's , and particularly free play, is an important issue.
If you,or anyone, would start a thread to seek info. about this subject i believe it would help all of of us.
I started a discussion of this on a prior thread, with minimal interest generated.
Wildman has made some great discoveries about how it operates in our home casino. I will divulge nothing about that without his approval.
But let me say that how they do this,combined with the general dissing of VP players,is not pretty

[onemoretry]

I started a discussion of this on a prior thread, with minimal interest generated.
Wildman has made some great discoveries about how it operates in our home casino. I will divulge nothing about that without his approval.

To my way of thinking, the difficulty of discussing this extremely important subject is that casinos are very reluctant to share this information with players. And, of course, every casino (or chain) is different.

Some folks I know in Las Vegas are very knowledgeable as to "what it takes" at various casinos. Usually, it has taken them some time to figure it out, often on a trial and error basis. Expecting them to spoon feed that information to less industrious players is unrealistic.

[FloridaPhil]

I am impressed by your overflowing stack of casino offers and I am ashamed to admit that I don't get the offers that you do. Even at my rate of play and coin in.

Hmm, this could lead me to call b.s. but you would most likely respond by deflecting with some story about you being a highly skilled tight rope walker so I will refrain.

Ted. There is enough BS on this forum to go around. My offers are as much BS as my current score on this website. Again, we are given a choice between dreams and fact. I took a handful of our most recent offers off my desk for this photo. I only included offers for free hotel stays. This is only a small portion of the offers we receive on a regular basis. In this photo, there are offers from both Hard Rocks, The Beau Rivage (includes air fare), MLIfe, The Ameristar and Harrah's Cherokee. Casino groups like MLIfe and Ceasars will allow us to stay at most any of their casino hotels we ask for. Our last stay in A/C at the Borgata was full comped.

A quarter player is not going to be given a free suite on Saturday night. You won't have a case of free wine delivered to your door. They won't give you front row seats to see Paul McCartney. They may throw in some buffet tickets and they always include free play.

In order to receive offers like this, you must be willing to play lousy video poker games. If all you play are positive games, you will not receive this many offers. As you know, we have traveled all over the country visiting casinos. We always get a players card. I can post a photo of dozens of these cards if you like. Just getting a players card will not get you many offers. A couple that plays quarter video poker all day will. What the casino wants is coin-in through games that have a large casino advantage. This is why video poker remains on the casino floor.

You can't walk into a casino, hit a big jackpot and consistently walk out if you expect to receive a lot of offers. You can't play the best games in the house to receive offers. You may get away with this if you play $5 or bigger games as long as you don't take advantage of the situation. As soon as they feel you are, your comps will be cut or you will be asked to play somewhere else.

Playing 97% games without overpaying is difficult. Over the years, we have learned how to satisfy the casinos while keeping our cost to a minimum. These are the things the experts should be discussing, not how to beat games that few of us play. Less than 1% of the casino games in the world are positive even with comps. Why are we wasting 100% of our time and effort talking about how to play less than 1% of the games?

We should leave positive game discussions to those who play them. The rest of us are hungry for information we can actually use.

[tech58]

I started a discussion of this on a prior thread, with minimal interest generated.
Wildman has made some great discoveries about how it operates in our home casino. I will divulge nothing about that without his approval.

To my way of thinking, the difficulty of discussing this extremely important subject is that casinos are very reluctant to share this information with players. And, of course, every casino (or chain) is different.

Some folks I know in Las Vegas are very knowledgeable as to "what it takes" at various casinos. Usually, it has taken them some time to figure it out, often on a trial and error basis. Expecting them to spoon feed that information to less industrious players is unrealistic.

Totally agree on difficulty/extreme importance of this subject OMT.
Also trial and error is where we are at our local.

But,food for thought. Some info. from our hosts (more than once) indicates that they use a computer program that is "widely used at other casinos" and that they were "one of the last to go to it".
Not sure what that means. But the possibility exists that there is some commonality to this and that every casino (or chain) may not be different.

Our efforts will be ongoing (soon i hope) piece by piece.
Not looking for any spoon feeding, just on a quest for knowledge of importance to us all.

[FloridaPhil]

But,food for thought. Some info. from our hosts (more than once) indicates that they use a computer program that is "widely used at other casinos" and that they were "one of the last to go to it".

Last year I spent a lot of time on the Wizzard website. That website has some members who are current APs. They understood my questions and were willing to answer every question I had honestly and without negativity.

I learned modern casinos can track everything you do when you do it. They know what games you play, the bets you make and most importantly, your accuracy playing those games. They told me this is important to know. The best players get the worst comps. If you consistently beat their games, they penalize you. This is consistent with what has been reported by others over the last few years.

This seems to me to be the opposite of what we have been told by the experts of the past. They want you to only play when you have an advantage. They expect you to find comps valuable enough to make the games positive and they want you to believe they are allowed to make huge profits without repercussions. Up to date experts told me making a profit off a casino today is a deception game. Pulling your card at the right time is this type of deception.

I feel our traditional experts are behind the times. I am appreciative of the knowledge they gave us. I only wish they would come into the year 2020 instead of talking like it's the year 1999. Cue the Prince music.

[Jstark]

I don't want comps nor would that be my goal. I want cash! Casino crap, including food at their restaurants, is way way overpriced. I also don't care about "free" (and we all know this stuff isn't free) rooms, suites, trinkets, etc. I'd rather pay cash for these things and be unknown to the casinos marketing departments. If I could go back in time, I'd never sign up for club cards.