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[cddenver]

We each have our own priorities. However, if someone starts touting another approach is superior then I personally want to understand how so. RS makes this claim and then glosses over the "how so". From there it usually goes downhill.
 
An even simpler point is that he only counts some of his play as "real" play.  It's one thing to not keep records if the $'s you're playing with are entertainment $'s, but if you're doing it for a living, as Rob claims, then including the results of ALL play is essential.  Think of it like a bank account - the information is meaningful only if ALL transactions are included.  Fudging on the numbers when you're balancing your checkbook might give you a nice balance in your personal records, but try selling it to the bank.

[ansoda]

Thanks shadow. I hope I have made my point clear. I have no arguement with the vp theories, randomness, or probilities. They are the cornerstones of this fun game we play, but sometimes I encounter a situation during play which raisies questions about methodology. I would like to be able to discourse on these times without being accused of being a subversive. I will post away , and look forward to the responses. Since I am realitively new to vp, I'm sure you all have -"been there, done that", with many of the play situations I'm encountering in my rookie year. THANKS ALL!

[Eduardo]

I also can vouch for ansoda since I met him in Vegas last year (which was great).
 
However, he did hit something big in about 2 minutes, so if he has special plays they work!
 
I have no problem with people exploring other strategy options. In fact, it makes things a lot more fun around here.
 
I think the only things that people haven't liked about a certain someone's teachings is that 1) you are stupid if you make the mathematically correct play instead of his superior play 2) implying that everyone can win more using his strategies, with no mathematical evidence to demonstrate it and ignoring the dangers of a progression for those who come out on the losing end and  3) implying that the machines are rigged in some way (hot and cold streaks), but that he has beaten them at their own game and finally 4) only counting certain sessions towards his recorded play.
 
I think there are a lot of good topics to be discussed if people aren't afraid to talk about them. For instance it's been discussed on here that progression play can actually win more frequently... but at a price that is paid in spades on the losing end of the strategy.  For the gambler that doesn't play much, that might not be so bad. It's a risk, but it's gambling.
 
My own strategy on my two trips so far has left me ahead. And it wasn't always on perfect play and obviously not based entirely on long term calculations. It was more based on enjoying the experience and giving myself a shot at winning something that I would be happy with.
 
I'll be the first to admit that it took some good luck to end up ahead so far. That's part of the fun when I don't have a chance to play very often. My first trip I lost everything, the next trip I won it back and more.
 
Now the question is, when certain cards come up, are there better plays that the mathematically "perfect" one? It really depends on your objective. And all those things are worth talking about. I don't think there is a single answer for everyone, but it helps to understand what you are doing rather than just playing hunches, and that's what makes this place so great.
 
Thanks for bringing it up, ansoda!

[ansoda]

Your welcome. I too play mostly for the short term results as I have no casinos within easy reach nor do I have the bankroll to support extended play when I do venture out on a casino trip. I would like to move this thread to the strategy header as I have encountered a situation more than once that I would enjoy some feedback on. Thanks all! 

[oej719]

Ansoda I knew you were not rob argentino aka Fa La La La La.... La la la la.
I posted that for the benefit of the lurker himself. You would not believe all the hateful and rude emails that guy sends me. He hates everyone hear. He has so many alaises that it is uncanny how he does it. He is so jealous of shadowman that just the mention of him sets him off into a drunken rage.
Beleive me rs has nothing that will help anyones game. Mattter of fact once you listen to his rambling and start applying his silly rules you will need a 100k bankroll because you will blow thru it faster that he can swig a 6 pack.

[EDC1977]

Scary thing is, even with no physical evidence to support his theories, he'd supposedly would be happy to show you how to win(read lose your butt!) anytime from what I can gather from his previous posts.

[oej719]

The way he does it is to go in debt to the tune of 250k plus, then go bankrupt and wala magic you say you are 250k ahead and let you spouse's family wealth support you. An email from him this week says that ever since he has lived the life of luxury. So between selling books and writig columns he has drinking and gambling money as long as he stays on 5c and 25c denoms.
I will get a mean email from him now.

[EDC1977]

I will get a mean email from him now.
the Fa La La La La.... La la la la dinger?

[oej719]

Of course. After his hangover starts to wear off and the room stops spinning, around 2 this afternoon.