Hi All,I just got back from Freeport in the Bahamas. And I played IGT's "Game King" Machine which has 6 diffrent games (Jacks or better, etc.). I played Deuces Wild Double Bonus. And after each hand you have the option of doubling up. The screen shows 5 cards, and the dealer turns over the first card, and the player has to choose one of the next 4 cards. If he beats the dealers card your payout is doubled, and you get a chance to Double Up again! And I assume you can double up for a few hands. I only had the nerve to go as high as 4 times, which I usually lost. My question: Is this a fairly common option? And is there any way of know what the odds are of these double up hands. Because the higher my payout, the harder the hands get. And some hands are just UNWINABLE. I did really well on this game and I need some help to figure out if it was just dumb luck or did I have a good method going. Please help.Sammy One.
Double up???
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shadowman
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Hi All,
I just got back from Freeport in the Bahamas. And I played IGT's "Game King" Machine which has 6 diffrent games (Jacks or better, etc.). I played Deuces Wild Double Bonus. And after each hand you have the option of doubling up. The screen shows 5 cards, and the dealer turns over the first card, and the player has to choose one of the next 4 cards. If he beats the dealers card your payout is doubled, and you get a chance to Double Up again! And I assume you can double up for a few hands. I only had the nerve to go as high as 4 times, which I usually lost.
My question: Is this a fairly common option? And is there any way of know what the odds are of these double up hands. Because the higher my payout, the harder the hands get. And some hands are just UNWINABLE.
I did really well on this game and I need some help to figure out if it was just dumb luck or did I have a good method going. Please help.
Sammy One.
It was dumb luck ...
Seriously, there are some good paytables for DBDW (and some not so good). At any given session your results are determined by luck. Over time, your results are determined by how well you play and what pay tables you select.
As for doubling, it is a 50-50 proposition. The cards are based on a 52 card deck and selected by the RNG. Therefore, your chances of hitting 4 times in a row is (1/2)**4, or 1 in 16. It does not matter whether you are doubling many credits or just 1. I've seen quarter machines locked up for a hand pay by someone successfully doubling many times.
Personally, I prefer to play the best machines available and avoid doubling as it does not generate any extra points for cashback or comps. For example, if I play one hand every six seconds I will play 600 hands an hour and garner 750 dollars worth of points. However, if I double up twice each time (on average). I will cut the number of hands down to around 200/hour or $250 worth of points. Of course, your goals may be different than mine.
I just got back from Freeport in the Bahamas. And I played IGT's "Game King" Machine which has 6 diffrent games (Jacks or better, etc.). I played Deuces Wild Double Bonus. And after each hand you have the option of doubling up. The screen shows 5 cards, and the dealer turns over the first card, and the player has to choose one of the next 4 cards. If he beats the dealers card your payout is doubled, and you get a chance to Double Up again! And I assume you can double up for a few hands. I only had the nerve to go as high as 4 times, which I usually lost.
My question: Is this a fairly common option? And is there any way of know what the odds are of these double up hands. Because the higher my payout, the harder the hands get. And some hands are just UNWINABLE.
I did really well on this game and I need some help to figure out if it was just dumb luck or did I have a good method going. Please help.
Sammy One.
It was dumb luck ...
Seriously, there are some good paytables for DBDW (and some not so good). At any given session your results are determined by luck. Over time, your results are determined by how well you play and what pay tables you select.
As for doubling, it is a 50-50 proposition. The cards are based on a 52 card deck and selected by the RNG. Therefore, your chances of hitting 4 times in a row is (1/2)**4, or 1 in 16. It does not matter whether you are doubling many credits or just 1. I've seen quarter machines locked up for a hand pay by someone successfully doubling many times.
Personally, I prefer to play the best machines available and avoid doubling as it does not generate any extra points for cashback or comps. For example, if I play one hand every six seconds I will play 600 hands an hour and garner 750 dollars worth of points. However, if I double up twice each time (on average). I will cut the number of hands down to around 200/hour or $250 worth of points. Of course, your goals may be different than mine.
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vpguy3
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I'm with shadowman; why take the chance of giving back to the casino what your smart play already won you ?I "might" double up on a pair...for fun, but never, never never anything beyond that.
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rascal
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For me, the double up choice depends on where I am in my win-loss goals, If I am "up" sufficiently then I might certainly give it a shot. Last night I doubled a $2 quad and made an extra $500 in the process. To me, it is one of the best bets in the casino in terms of odds, but never risk your money unless it is truly "riskable", if you get my drift. I go to the casino to gamble; why do you go?
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vpguy3
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I also go to gamble, but I also go to win. So if I've gambled and won I don't want to give it back. I like your style though
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shadowman
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I go to the casino to gamble; why do you go?
Personally, I'm not all that big on gambling. I go to make money. Not necessarily today, but over time by accurately playing +EV games. Doubling is an even bet and can't help me achieve that goal.
Personally, I'm not all that big on gambling. I go to make money. Not necessarily today, but over time by accurately playing +EV games. Doubling is an even bet and can't help me achieve that goal.
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iflynonrev
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I have seen a royal dealt on double up. The bet was won as the jack came up first and a k was the chosen card, but I would much rather have the 4000 credits than the 2 credits that were won. In my opinion, just mail a check if you want to rely on luck.
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MikeA
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The "flavor" of "doubling up" in a way reminded me of a discussion I had a few years ago concerning Blackjack. In this case, it is almost the "same difference" and might apply to any kind of gambling in my opinion.
The point dealt with "playing with the casino's money." Meaning that taking risks by raising bets and making unorthodox plays while gambling with money over and above what was in your BR when you started play, was a good way to manage your money. It's not. Once you win that money, it is YOURS, not the casino's and it should be managed just as you would manage your original BR.
Keep in mind that Basic Strategy Blackjack requires a lot of discipline. The variance in BJ is a lot less and the EV is less than true Full-Pay VP. You need every chip you can muster to stay up with casino assuming you can cop some comps.
Where we in Blackjack see it most often is with low-rollers who have a "short Bankroll" and go into the casino strictly for recreational purposes. In other words, they go into the casino expecting to lose what money they brought with them and just want to have a good time and a bucket of drinks while they watch it expire. They have that go-for-broke attitude and really don't care whether they win or lose what they brought in and if they do get on the positive side of variance, they are liable to push it all in on the last hand.
I imagine that all us have fallen prey to that philosophy. I certainly have, but have gotten almost to the point of controlling the urge . Not quite, but almost.
The point dealt with "playing with the casino's money." Meaning that taking risks by raising bets and making unorthodox plays while gambling with money over and above what was in your BR when you started play, was a good way to manage your money. It's not. Once you win that money, it is YOURS, not the casino's and it should be managed just as you would manage your original BR.
Keep in mind that Basic Strategy Blackjack requires a lot of discipline. The variance in BJ is a lot less and the EV is less than true Full-Pay VP. You need every chip you can muster to stay up with casino assuming you can cop some comps.
Where we in Blackjack see it most often is with low-rollers who have a "short Bankroll" and go into the casino strictly for recreational purposes. In other words, they go into the casino expecting to lose what money they brought with them and just want to have a good time and a bucket of drinks while they watch it expire. They have that go-for-broke attitude and really don't care whether they win or lose what they brought in and if they do get on the positive side of variance, they are liable to push it all in on the last hand.
I imagine that all us have fallen prey to that philosophy. I certainly have, but have gotten almost to the point of controlling the urge . Not quite, but almost.
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rascal
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Mike A, hope you are not misinterpreting what I wrote. I also do not believe in the "casino's money" theory. What I do believe in is setting and achieving win goals. My own casino experience of many, many years -- with only the past four years being winning ones -- has shown me that there are various avenues available to attain predetermined winning goals. Once I have achieved a session's goal, if I do, then I am more willing to "gamble" than I would be otherwise. That is all I am saying....not that I consider any of my winnings to be the casino's money.
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MikeA
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I made that point because I thought it needed to be made considering the number of new VP players visiting this site. Nothing to criticize your methods for obviously, you have paid your dues Rascal
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