Whatever you do, dont turn a profit!

[BillyJoe]

I really am going to be in the gaming office on Monday July 7 in the afternoon so I actually might just bring this topic up for the heck of it.    But I have a slew of questions that are ahead of this issue, in light of the recent developments of Showboat closing and Revel basically flatlined as well,     Someone, somewhere has a lot of explaining to do......

I doubt that the NJGC feels that THEY have any explaining to do about casino closings. They are in the regulations business - not profit and loss. It's just business, and if a business feels it is more profitable to lock the doors, that is what they will do.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar] I really am going to be in the gaming office on Monday July 7 in the afternoon so I actually might just bring this topic up for the heck of it.    But I have a slew of questions that are ahead of this issue, in light of the recent developments of Showboat closing and Revel basically flatlined as well,     Someone, somewhere has a lot of explaining to do......

I doubt that the NJGC feels that THEY have any explaining to do about casino closings. They are in the regulations business - not profit and loss. It's just business, and if a business feels it is more profitable to lock the doors, that is what they will do. [/QUOTE]Well yes, of course.    I am not even intimating the NJGC is responsible for AC's mess.....but they are definitely interested in ACs health, and what my post really meant was the people I typically talk to in this office have pretty strong opinions themselves regarding what exactly is going on with the NJ casinos.   This should not surprise anyone, since employees of NJGC have their job security DIRECTLY tied to the health of the casinos.We all know the sad, sick story of how, after the 2007 crash the NJGC SLASHED jobs and positions, to such an extent it bred rumors of the casinos taking advantage of the lack of oversight, and certainly gave life to a lot of the insinuations and rumors.   I myself, once I started to experience atrocious statistical results from VP play, naturally found it convenient that the elimination of so many NJGC personnel and jobs just happened to have occurred right before everyone who played machines (slot AND VP) stopped winning.If you ask any cab driver in AC, or any dealer in the casinos, or even the vendors on the boardwlak, what is the single most common complaint of the people who STILL go to AC, it is the ubiquitous "NO ONE EVER WINS ANYMORE"........now, those of us here who are intelligent know that this is not an ABSOLUTE truth;  of course, SOME people who play slots and VP in AC still manage to win.   But the PERCEPTION is embedded, and you have to believe a lot of the people who have disappeared from AC over the last 7 years did so because they felt they just could not win.   And we all know, PERCEPTION is reality.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=billyjoe] [QUOTE=DaBurglar] I really am going to be in the gaming office on Monday July 7 in the afternoon so I actually might just bring this topic up for the heck of it.    But I have a slew of questions that are ahead of this issue, in light of the recent developments of Showboat closing and Revel basically flatlined as well,     Someone, somewhere has a lot of explaining to do......

I doubt that the NJGC feels that THEY have any explaining to do about casino closings. They are in the regulations business - not profit and loss. It's just business, and if a business feels it is more profitable to lock the doors, that is what they will do. [/QUOTE]Well yes, of course.    I am not even intimating the NJGC is responsible for AC's mess.....but they are definitely interested in ACs health, and what my post really meant was the people I typically talk to in this office have pretty strong opinions themselves regarding what exactly is going on with the NJ casinos.   This should not surprise anyone, since employees of NJGC have their job security DIRECTLY tied to the health of the casinos.We all know the sad, sick story of how, after the 2007 crash the NJGC SLASHED jobs and positions, to such an extent it bred rumors of the casinos taking advantage of the lack of oversight, and certainly gave life to a lot of the insinuations and rumors. [/QUOTE]
You are aware, DB, the Gaming Commission in NJ several years ago was moved under the same organization that collects the tax revenue for NJ from the casinos. That may help account for any concern that they show regarding casino closings.
The Casino Control Commission is a New Jersey state governmental agency that was founded in 1977 as the state's gaming control board, responsible under the Casino Control Act for licensing casinos in Atlantic City. The commission also issues licenses for casino key employees and hears appeals from decisions of the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement. The commission is headquartered in the Arcade Building at Tennessee Avenue and Boardwalk in Atlantic City.

On November 15, 2010, State Senators James Whelan (D-2nd) and Raymond Lesniak (D-20th) introduced Senate Bill S12[5] to change the New Jersey Casino Control Act and deregulate the Atlantic City casino industry to improve competitiveness with casinos in other states. The bill would also transfer day-to-day regulatory functions from the Casino Control Commission to the Division of Gaming Enforcement. After hearings in both houses of the Legislature, the bill was approved on January 10, 2011 and signed into law by Governor Chris Christie on February 1, 2011.

The new law eliminated the requirement for the commission to have inspectors in casinos around-the-clock and made the Division of Gaming Enforcement responsible for certifying gaming revenue. The Division of Gaming Enforcement also took over responsibility for registering casino employees and non-gaming vendors, licensing gaming vendors, and handling all patron complaints

[DaBurglar]

what is interesting about what you posted is this:    In 2010 they decided to consolidate things in order to become more competitive.   Obviously they were feeling the pinch money - wise, and since people and profits were being lost, the only quick and easy way to reverse this is to slash costs.   So they did, and in so doing (by removing the in-house presence, and consolidating the responsibilities all under one roof,) a lot of people were laid off or given ("forced) into early retirement.....some just chose to quit and move elsewhere to find employment.       Yet, from 1978 when casinos first opened, until 2010, the New Jersey Gaming commission as well as other powers that be, felt it was totally necessary to have a presence in the casinos, and to have a seperate independent government body doing things like vetting employees, vendors, and all the other essential duties a gaming commission does.    Funny how, once the moolah started drying up real fast, all these needed oversights were no longer so......"needed".......it sure does make you go  "hmmmmm" at least for a minute.I do know this.....No way in heck Nevada would allow this.....they scrupulously follow their own rules and procedures.    I do not know if this hearkens back to the strict Mormon values inculcated in state government, or if it is just the fact that people from that part of the country (Nevada) realize that procedures and regulations ONLY work, and only accomplish and safeguard, when they are followed ALL THE TIME, and are not changes or compromised to suit the economic weather.

[LovePlusOne]

We've been going to AC one weekend a month since 1978. At first we got comp rooms for Sun-Thurs, but after a while we were given comp weekends, with all the bells and whistles.

This month, for the first time ever, the Trop sent us a flyer and the comp rooms are now from Sunday to Thursday. I couldn't believe my eyes. However, let me add that for the past few years, we only go down a few times a year, but our host always treats us well, with entry to the VP club as well as food (on occasion).

I guess we're in the low roller category now. Too bad for them; I like going to the Poconos and playing there just as much (almost). I still love AC, and I am guessing that if I call my host at the Trop, I will get a room on the weekend, but I figure I'll hang on to my money for a while. The hell with 'em!

[DaBurglar]

We've been going to AC one weekend a month since 1978. At first we got comp rooms for Sun-Thurs, but after a while we were given comp weekends, with all the bells and whistles.

This month, for the first time ever, the Trop sent us a flyer and the comp rooms are now from Sunday to Thursday. I couldn't believe my eyes. However, let me add that for the past few years, we only go down a few times a year, but our host always treats us well, with entry to the VP club as well as food (on occasion).

I guess we're in the low roller category now. Too bad for them; I like going to the Poconos and playing there just as much (almost). I still love AC, and I am guessing that if I call my host at the Trop, I will get a room on the weekend, but I figure I'll hang on to my money for a while. The hell with 'em! excellent post loveplusone (again, you must be named after the 80s pop group, right?)Your post hits upon the relevant point(s) that many customers like you are saying "the hell with AC" because AC just does not give people ENOUGH reason to come back, in the face of what competition is out there (in your case the poconos.)    This is what frustrates me.....AC should "shoot the moon", pull out all stops to get everyone who ever visited in the past to come back and give it one more shot.   SEND out comps galore....loosen the machines and tell everyone over and over!     They now have NOTHING to lose and only their very LIFE to gain!     Sadly though, I fear that it may now be too late....with four casinos down for the count, this fact alone casts a PALL over the rest of the place, and getting NEW or long forgotten customers to show up will be extremely hard.