Playing Like a Vegas Local?

[billryan]

I asked you when he said anything like that and your first response seemed to indicate he didn't. Now you quote a single line.
How do I find that actual post to see the context?
Had you lead with the quote in your first response, they'd be no issue.

[Vman96]

I asked you when he said anything like that and your first response seemed to indicate he didn't. Now you quote a single line.
How do I find that actual post to see the context?
Had you lead with the quote in your first response, they'd be no issue.

The full post.
http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum ... 8869#88869

And Bob's admission that if you HAD to play negative VP...one coining would tend to minimize your loss. He personally, however, would just not play instead.

He discusses this here when Phil first began to tout betting 1 coin frequently.

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum ... 6011#66011

[alpax]

[QUOTE=billryan] I asked you when he said anything like that and your first response seemed to indicate he didn't. Now you quote a single line.
How do I find that actual post to see the context?
Had you lead with the quote in your first response, they'd be no issue.

The full post.
http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum ... 8869#88869

And Bob's admission that if you HAD to play negative VP...one coining would tend to minimize your loss. He personally, however, would just not play instead.

He discusses this here when Phil first began to tout betting 1 coin frequently.

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum ... 6011#66011[/QUOTE]

Phil owes you a beer.

[FloridaPhil]

This could be a good discussion if it's kept within the context of video poker. It's popular right now to insult and demean your opponents instead of offering solutions.  I'll assume others would like a higher quality discussion.  We'll see...What got Bob Dancer upset was not my statement that playing single coin on a negative video poker game causes you to lose less money.   In fact, he agreed with me on that statement.  What he didn't like was my statement that I was ahead playing CS over a 2 year period even though I posted proof directly on this website.  He assumed I was proposing an alternative strategy to his based on luck not math.   He felt this was somehow dangerous.   I suspect his real objection came when I suggested moving up in denomination as a way to win an advantage.  Bob Dancer and I are in total agreement on video poker math.  What we disagree on is the extent  luck affects your results.I have always said that CS type strategies depend upon luck.  His rebuttal to me was that you can not depend upon luck to win.  In my opinion there is an element of luck in all video poker wins.  What it comes down to is the timing of hitting the few rare jackpot hands.  No human being lives long enough to play out all the possible mathematical results possible.  Your results are totally dependent upon what happens during the time you play, not what is possible.  Math is valuable as a predictor of what is potentially possible. Mathematical odds are valuable as as a predictor of how long your money may last.  Math is useless as a future calculator of what will actually happen when you play...I am looking forward to the return of Bob Dancer on this forum.  I think it's pretty clear we do not agree on all things, but I do believe we can coexist and agree to disagree.  I also think we can agree to keep our discussions civil and intelligent.  I can't control what other members post, but I'll do my part to keep it that way.I'm on my way to the Hollywood Hard Rock for two days of "lucky" video poker play.   I'm ahead for the first time since I switched to max coin play.  Let's hope it continues... 

[Sea Lion]

Math is valuable as a predictor of what is potentially possible. Mathematical odds are valuable as as a predictor of how long your money may last.  Math is useless as a future calculator of what will actually happen when you play...Yesterday at California Hotel and Casino, I got a 30x point VP multiplier for Young At Heart day. I played over 6000 hands on 9/5 DDB and hit 11 quads, nothing with kickers. 3 of them were aces, 1 was  2s,3s,or4's, and the rest were 5 thru K's, and was still down about $100 out of pocket. Today at MSS, I played over 1200 hands on 9/6 DDB, and not one single quad, and down $60 out of pocket. The peeps playing the 3 machines on the other side of where I was playing all hit 4 aces and other various quads. Ya think MSS remembered me from those 3 4AWK's that I hit earlier this month? .....Or was it just the way the cards fell? 

[billryan]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]
Math is valuable as a predictor of what is potentially possible. Mathematical odds are valuable as as a predictor of how long your money may last.  Math is useless as a future calculator of what will actually happen when you play...Yesterday at California Hotel and Casino, I got a 30x point VP multiplier for Young At Heart day. I played over 6000 hands on 9/5 DDB and hit 11 quads, nothing with kickers. 3 of them were aces, 1 was  2s,3s,or4's, and the rest were 5 thru K's, and was still down about $100 out of pocket. Today at MSS, I played over 1200 hands on 9/6 DDB, and not one single quad, and down $60 out of pocket. The peeps playing the 3 machines on the other side of where I was playing all hit 4 aces and other various quads. Ya think MSS remembered me from those 3 4AWK's that I hit earlier this month? .....Or was it just the way the cards fell? 
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They've obviously hit the kill switch on your card for awhile.Perhaps a wig and some high heels, and play your wife's card.

[FAA]

I played 6000+ hands on 9/5 DDB and hit 11 quads, no
kickers. 3 were aces, 1 2s,3s,or4's, and the rest 5
thru K's, and was still down about $100 out of pocket. Today at MSS, I played over 1200 hands on 9/6 DDB, and not one single quad, and down $60 out of pocket.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I don't recall how much multi hand play you do. Positive Spin: First loss was 5-10 hours of play, losing $10-$20 per hour. Second time you lost maybe $30 per hour. Not bad at all! You found a couple of ice boxes. I call that getting off easy.

[FloridaPhil]

In the fantasy video poker world, games always pay exactly what the odds foretell, perfect play always yields perfect results and some people can beat the casino long term with skill, intelligence and discipline alone.  I don't play in that world, so I play like every session is going to be a loser.  That way, I'm surprised to find out otherwise.  

[Sea Lion]

They've obviously hit the kill switch on your card for awhile.Perhaps a wig and some high heels, and play your wife's card.  Wifey ain't 50 yet though! I
don't recall how much multi hand play you do. Positive Spin: First loss
was 5-10 hours of play, losing $10-$20 per hour. Second time you lost
maybe $30 per hour. Not bad at all! You found a couple of ice boxes. I
call that getting off easy.All of that was on single line play. I haven't done much multi-hand play since the beginning of this year. Had to take care of some major billage this year. Most of that is taken care of now, and I'll be starting a new killer job on Monday, so after I get the rest taken care of, I'll be indulging in my favorite 10-play nickel 9/6 DDB back at the Orleans this fall. The one thing I notice is whenever I hit a 4AWK and call it a day, the next time I play, whether it be the next day or a week from then, most of it goes right back. Doesn't matter where I play. It takes it back! Methinks the machines communicate secret messages to each other when I stick the players card in, like "hey, that crazy flippered bastid who had a good run last time he played just sat down to play. Lets get that 4AWK back! Bwahahaha! 

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Sea Lion]The one thing I notice is whenever I hit a 4AWK and call it a day, the
next time I play, whether it be the next day or a week from then, most
of it goes right back. Doesn't matter where I play. It takes it back!
[/quote]Scientists tell us video poker is a powerful drug (look it up).  When we win it releases powerful chemicals in our brains that give us pleasure.  We like the way it feels and we want more, more more...   As anyone who plays video poker knows, the casinos use this to great advantage.To most people video poker is recreation.  There are few human recreations that are totally free, most come with a cost.  We shouldn't feel guilty about giving the money back, it's just part of the game.  If the cost is too high, play smaller.  If the game you play consistently disappoints, change it.  If the pain of losing is too great, try golf (not a good example as it's worse in my opinion).  Enjoying video poker is about being at peace with yourself and not getting overburdened with someone else's results or comparing yourself to some fantasy standard.   It's all good....