How good are you at 9/6 Triple Double Bonus? Quiz

[alpax]

I didn't try to post my answers (guesses?), but I can say that mine were exactly the same as yours, with the exception of #13, where I put JJ.

Thanks for making the attempt. Holding the high pair is the correct play for #13. It was a penalty situation depending on the 5th card, if it is a high card straight penalty.

That was pretty good for someone who has not gone on record to playing TDB at a casino for real money wagers.

I missed 3 so guess I can keep playing my favorite game.

That is really good. Hopefully one of the 3 mistakes was not #20 which costs more than the other 19 combined I suspect. It is certainly good enough to play at a live casino! The mental switch from DDB to TDB might be too much to handle for myself, but not for you.

[DaBurglar]

I've never seen TDB in anything better than horrific 9/5 paytables in AC......I rarely play this game, only recently on my last two visits when i met up with JETER did I dabble and try my luck on a few limited stretches of playing TDB Quick Quads at Harrahs.....TDB is kinda sorta like JOKER POKER in my humble estimation.....you obviously get MORE huge hits / jackpots, but unless you are LUCKY enough to get one EARLY on and then hit them more or less on schedule after that, you are NOT likely to win and VERY likely to decimate your available playing funds!

[Lucky Larry]

Nice topic Alpax.

I rarely play TDB. However, my last 25¢ royal was on TDB when I switched to it in desperation. Held 3RF on 5 play. Luckily, we have 9/6 available at all denominations. I have a hard time with the volatility and lower pay return 98.15% vs my 98.9 DW/DWB and 99.81% Dbl DWB which I can play in all denominations. My practice hands give me usually around 98% correct play.

Sweet C loves playing it when her timing is right.

We have a friend who plays it almost exclusively. Mike will play 100 play 1¢/2¢ and sometimes 5¢. He's currently on one of those rare streaks of a lifetime having been dealt 4 Aces four times in the past month. Once with a kicker. For the month of July-August he is at $20K in hand pays. Of course it didn't hurt to be dealt 2's/K on 100 play 2¢ last month to start the current streak bankroll.

[Lionqueen]

Alpax, I was correct on #20 however I would still think about it hard when playing real money.

[pokerpokerpoker]

Good exercise Alpax.

1. 10c Jc
2.Qc 10c Kc
3. 6d 7d 10d
4. Jc Qc
5. 3s 4s
6. As 4s 5s 2s
7.Ah
8. Jc Qc Ac
9. Qd Jc
10. 5d 8d 9d
11. Jc Qc Kd Ah
12. 4s 4h
13. 10c Kc Jc
14. Jc Qc Ac
15. 6 7 8 9
16. 8 9 J Q
17. 9 10 J K
18. A Q 10 J
19. Junk
20. 3 3 3 A

Except for Dream Card on this site, I don't play TDB. It intrigues me though. I like thw thrill of jackpots and the agony of a bust-out. 9/7 is available to me, but after looking at the strategy, no thanks.

Looking back at my single line play, I think I would be well ahead playing TDB instead of DDB. I have only hit 2 royals, yet 10-12 AWAK and 20 or so 2-4 with kicker. Granted, some of those would have happened after I already would have busted if I had been playing TDB.

[alpax]

I've never seen TDB in anything better than horrific 9/5 paytables in AC......I rarely play this game


I personally mentioned 9/6 is because that is the most commonly pay schedule available, I would not play 9/5 as well since it spots the casino a 3% edge on average. The full pay 9/7 is rare in terms of availability, the best places that have them are in Vegas (the best in the country) or in Mississppi. I also know that AC does not have good Deuces Wild games as well. I agree Joker Poker AC 2 Pairs and TDB have similar swings. If you do not get the 5 of a kind every 10k hands, you are in for some hurt on the bank roll.

Nice topic Alpax.

I rarely play TDB. However, my last 25¢ royal was on TDB when I switched to it in desperation. Held 3RF on 5 play. Luckily, we have 9/6 available at all denominations. I have a hard time with the volatility and lower pay return 98.15% vs my 98.9 DW/DWB and 99.81% Dbl DWB which I can play in all denominations. My practice hands give me usually around 98% correct play.

Sweet C loves playing it when her timing is right.

We have a friend who plays it almost exclusively. Mike will play 100 play 1¢/2¢ and sometimes 5¢. He's currently on one of those rare streaks of a lifetime having been dealt 4 Aces four times in the past month. Once with a kicker. For the month of July-August he is at $20K in hand pays. Of course it didn't hurt to be dealt 2's/K on 100 play 2¢ last month to start the current streak bankroll.

A royal on most any game is nice to have! At least you have the opinion to play these volatile games at a controlled risk.

As long as the errors are yellow light ones, meaning minor, you could achieve close to the expected results in lower variance games, but the variance of TDB can put the results out of control. The Double Bonus DW has a variance like DDB, you are definitely privileged to have access to the full pay one. I can tell how Sweet C likes to live more on the dangerous side some times with the trip reports. Has good instincts to be able to hit as many AWAKs as she has. I would do the DblBonusDW over DDB personally if multiline is available.

Very nice to hear about the good streak your friend is on. TDB has a high enough variance which will expand the bell curve of results into positive territory even without the use of casino clubs and comps. Mike is certainly one of the few luckiest players. On the flip side the players who play properly and have the absolute worst luck can lose as if they played the slots. I know multihand can reduce some of the big potential winning days, but to be dealt those hands is a dream for multiline play.


Alpax, I was correct on #20 however I would still think about it hard when playing real money.

That is really good that you at least know that the kicker hold is the right play for both trip Aces and 2s/3s/4s. Compared to the Aces, this one is only half of the magnification.

Now that I think about it, when you get the desire to switch from DDB to TDB, would it be better to just double the stakes on DDB? You are going after the premium hands that are doubled in value, so why not double the value of the other hands? The bankroll requirement more than doubles making that switch.

Good exercise Alpax.

1. 10c Jc
2.Qc 10c Kc
3. 6d 7d 10d
4. Jc Qc
5. 3s 4s
6. As 4s 5s 2s
7.Ah
8. Jc Qc Ac
9. Qd Jc
10. 5d 8d 9d
11. Jc Qc Kd Ah
12. 4s 4h
13. 10c Kc Jc
14. Jc Qc Ac
15. 6 7 8 9
16. 8 9 J Q
17. 9 10 J K
18. A Q 10 J
19. Junk
20. 3 3 3 A

Except for Dream Card on this site, I don't play TDB. It intrigues me though. I like thw thrill of jackpots and the agony of a bust-out. 9/7 is available to me, but after looking at the strategy, no thanks.

Looking back at my single line play, I think I would be well ahead playing TDB instead of DDB. I have only hit 2 royals, yet 10-12 AWAK and 20 or so 2-4 with kicker. Granted, some of those would have happened after I already would have busted if I had been playing TDB.




Thank you for participating PPP. I was hoping to see if people who play TDB just wing it when they play it. I guess I wont get that answer.

The 7 for 1 flushes games are definitely tougher to master, even the move to 9/6 DDB to 9/6 TDB is not a smooth transition.

If you had the bankroll to play through, I think TDB would have produced the better result since AWAK and 2/3/4 with kicker are so valuable in the game.
I do not think you could take that risk when you have to take care of your family.

Incorrect Answers - Amazing you got #5 correct! I did pretty bad too, I used VPW to see what I got wrong.

I used 10 from the strategy charts and 10 from the penalty charts

1 (penalty situation)
2 (penalty situation)
3 (strategy charts)
4 (penalty situation)
8 (penalty situation)
9 (strategy charts)
11 (penalty situation same as 9/6 DDB)
13 (penalty situation)
14 (strategy charts)
19 (penalty situation)

[pokerpokerpoker]

Dang, I got all those wrong? Mays well add #5 to the list too. I figured something was up from the other posters and took a guess.

[Vman96]

Dang, I got all those wrong? Mays well add #5 to the list too. I figured something was up from the other posters and took a guess.


Personally I feel the need to point out number 5 in particular. The answer, while technically correct, is very misleading in practice, imo.

For 9/6 TDB, 34 suited is ONLY better than garbage when there are no flush penalties and the other 3 cards are 89T. Incorrectly assuming 34 is always better than garbage is a much more significant error.

This exact hand 34 suited with 89T all not of the same suit as 34 will only be dealt to the player 4*24/2598960 or 1 every 27,072.5 hands. Trying to remember this particular penalty exception is probably going to do more harm than good for 99.9% of players that play 9/6 TDB, and the people that would actually worry about this exception shouldn't be playing 9/6 TDB anyway unless there are tons of mailers that come with it.

Knowing this penalty exception and executing it correctly in 9/6 TDB saves you 0.000003188% or ONLY 3.188 cents per 800,000 hands ($1,000,000 coin-in) of quarter play.

Even Bob Dancer might say this is not worth remembering. I personally think he tends to overemphasize penalty situations in discussions, and I believe only someone that practices significantly with software should begin to consider them. Minimizing more common, costly errors is of greater importance to more casual players.

Because forgetting that this is a rare, rare penalty exception and wrongly thinking that 34 suited is always better than garbage in 9/6 TDB costs you 0.013983% or $139.83 per 800,000 hands ($1,000,000 coin-in) of quarter play!!!

I haven't look at the other penalty exceptions in his quiz, but if they are rare enough, it's much more dangerous to incorrectly think that those holds are the standard play than the benefit you gain from knowing they are exceptions!!!

It is MUCH, MUCH more important to know the basic strategy down COLD before worrying about penalty exceptions.

Although I was long-winded on detail (big shock there), it's better that myself and fellow forum members got #5 "wrong" instead of right.

[alpax]

I know for certain that I was not one of the players who got it correct. I cannot thank you enough for the details to help TDB players out. It would take me a long time to express it even if I can even premeditate the thought. I always thought 2 to a straight flush holds only applies to Joker Poker and Deuces Wild.

Mr. Dancer and the late Mr. Daily did not decide to create a Winner's Guide for Triple Double Bonus. But the ones I have say not to remember certain holds because they do not add very much, a fraction of a penny gain is not worth it to them.

In NSU Deuces, the only time you hold Ace + Ten, is when there is 579 all offsuit as the other three cards. They mention in similar detail you've provided on how much it is not worth remembering the situation, with the whole power of the pack concept. They do explain why it is the correct hold but ultimately for simplicity they state never hold Ace-high 2 to a Royal.

TDB players should read what you wrote even if they do not want to take the quiz.

[uprite]

Seems to me that we get set hands, i wonder does timing have to do with getting the cards you want. I notice when i play fast, i don't get the cards i want. I wait a bit longer, i get better draw hands.