Deuces Wild Results

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
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FloridaPhil
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Re: Deuces Wild Results

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FAA wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:50 pm
I guess my new mandate is quarter play. Bet 5. Set it and forget it.
In real estate it's "location, location, location". In video poker it's "discipline, discipline, discipline". If you want a hand pay, play quarters, save up all your dollar losses and pay yourself.

You could play big all the time. The odds will be better. The casino will love you and will give you all kinds of free stuff. You may even reach "high roller" status. Then you could really lose some money. :lol:

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So Phil, when you recently wrote of going to the Beau Rivage in Biloxi over Christmas was this an example of the casino loving you and giving you all kinds of free stuff? Flying you in, staying for free, etc.?

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Tedlark wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:30 am
So Phil, when you recently wrote of going to the Beau Rivage in Biloxi over Christmas was this an example of the casino loving you and giving you all kinds of free stuff? Flying you in, staying for free, etc.?
Absolutely. We don't get as much free stuff as some players, but we get all we want. The more money you run through their machines the more they like you. We have been comped a few times in a top floor suite and they are very luxurious with glass all around, a panoramic view of the City and the Gulf. We don't see many high rollers in Biloxi since they dropped the odds. You can play 7/5 $5 Jacks or Better in the high limit room if you're up to it.

I'm not against playing as big as you want if you have the stomach for it. I don't. If you do, don't complain about it. It comes with the territory.

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Do you play $5.00 jacks or Better in the high limit room? Would you otherwise classify yourself as a high roller player as far as Biloxi goes?

You have spoken before that you only get to Biloxi once or twice a year at best. Your coin in (even at the .25 level) must be high enough to rate such fantastic offers in Biloxi.

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Tedlark wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:35 am
Do you play $5.00 jacks or Better in the high limit room? Would you otherwise classify yourself as a high roller player as far as Biloxi goes? You have spoken before that you only get to Biloxi once or twice a year at best. Your coin in (even at the .25 level) must be high enough to rate such fantastic offers in Biloxi.
This is an interesting question. The Beau Rivage is a MLife Casino. MLife allows my wife and I to play on the same account. I'm sure this makes us look like we play bigger than we do. Back 10-12 years ago, I used to be a max coin dollar player and we stayed at the Beau 4-5 times each year. It was nothing for me to lose or win $1,000 a day at the Beau RIvage. If I had a bad couple of days, I could easily lose $3-4K. I won a lot too. I won $14,000 in one day back in 2008. After that, I began to receive offers for free flights and rooms. The odds started dropping right after Katrina, so we switched to quarters.

Even though my wife and I now play quarters exclusively, the offers have continued. Being Seniors from Florida probably helps. The offers include free air fair from Florida to Biloxi, three nights comped rooms and $50 in free play. They also throw in some buffet tickets. Next week they are giving us free tickets to the Christmas show. I'm fairly sure they are hoping we switch back to dollar play. Unless they go back to better games, NO chance.

We both play about 600-700 hands an hour. We like to casino hop in Biloxi, but combined we play at least 5,000 hands a day at $1.25 a hand. MLIfe will give us comped rooms in any of their resorts as long as we are flexible on our dates. They comped our stay at the Borgata in AC last spring. You don't need to be a high roller to get these offers. What they want is someone who will consistently run money through their machines.

It's a mistake to think you can't go home a winner playing 97% VP games. If you stick to quarters, you won't get rich, but you won't go broke either. It helps that we both play single line low variance VP games. Royals happen just like they do playing positive games. There is a cost to playing these games, but it doesn't have to be excessive.

The trick is to play just enough so the casino continues to send you offers, but not so much where you are overpaying for your comps. I can't comment on positive VP games because I have never seen one except in Vegas unless you want to count pirating multipliers.

My disagreements with the experts goes back a long time. My complaint is they never give out any information useful to average small time players. They concentrate on games you can only find in Vegas or in the high limit room. They avoid talking about playing negative games other than saying not to play them. This creates a void of information and leaves most players with no plan. Only talking about how to profit from VP, fills the casino with hopeful losers who have no chance. The casinos love this. I try to talk about playing VP in the real world I see where VP games are 97-98% and comps are minimal.

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I would like to put in a plug for Video Poker for Winner's Software. When you are consistently faced with new pay schedules like we are, it's a valuable tool. The old standard 97.579% quarter deuces wild game just dropped to 96.765%. This game has a 125 coin wild royal, an 80 coin five of a kind and a 60 coin straight flush. To make up for it, they decimated the small hand payouts. The play strategy for this game is different. Without the software, things would be a lot worse. I carry a laptop with me on these trips loaded with this software. The ability to change the pay tables and practice the new games is a big help.

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Discipline, discipline, discipline. Save the dollar losses and pay myself. I never processed that idea when first proposed. It makes sense now. I have come to play 9/6 Bet 10. Is this a show stopper?

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FAA wrote:
Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:55 pm
Discipline, discipline, discipline. Save the dollar losses and pay myself. I never processed that idea when first proposed. It makes sense now. I have come to play 9/6 Bet 10. Is this a show stopper?
There was a time when 9/6 Jacks was common. I often play next to a couple who both play triple play dollar 9/6 Jacks. Their financial swings are brutal, but they claim to make money. They don't say how much. Their machines were downgraded recently. I haven't seen them since then.

In my opinion, today's video poker is not the same game it was in the year 2000. The games are different, the technology is different, the comps are different, the casinos have better faster tools and more accurate information available to them. The house edge is not an edge anymore, it's a cliff.

My personal strategy is to play the best games I have available with the best strategy, limit my coin in and enjoy the game as entertainment. The games with the best odds are not necessarily the most entertaining.

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No barrel of laughs, but 8/5 BP when bored. I guess you would stick with five regardless of greedy Bet 10 programming.

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FAA wrote:
Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:15 am
No barrel of laughs, but 8/5 BP when bored. I guess you would stick with five regardless of greedy Bet 10 programming.
I don't think the amount we bet each time is what causes us problems. Assuming perfect play, simple math can tell you what the long term results should be at any denomination you choose. In my case the main cause was trying to self engineer jackpots. I do much better if I pick a game at a denomination I am comfortable with and stick with it no matter what happens. A big jackpot is not worth hitting if it costs me five times the amount to hit it. :wacko:

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