Check Everything Part 2

[FloridaPhil]

Does anyone care who's money it is? If it spends, it's mine.

[FloridaPhil]

And, if you take that money, which is now yours, and use it to play some more, you are playing with your money, not the casino's, are you not?

Absolutely. That's why I cash out when these things happen. This particular jackpot was one of the jackpots that made a profit for me over the time that I played CS. I was told it couldn't happen. It did. I was lucky. The money spent just the same.

We are not discussing long term results here. We are talking about taking a $20 pot shot on a $5 machine. If you can come up with reliable math that can predict those results on a daily basis, I'm listening.

[Eduardo]

I was told it couldn't happen. It did. I was lucky.

You were told it couldn't happen? I call bull poop on that one. Prove it.

[Tedlark]

Phil, if it was the casino's money why didn't you leave it in the machine? Again: anyone who thinks that once they get up, they are playing on the casino's money, is using flawed thinking.

And reading your oratory with the picture "I came within 1 card of hitting a $5,000.00 second quad deuces" means nothing. You could just as easily have said "I came within 3 cards of hitting a dealt royal for $20,000.00." They both mean the same thing.

[onemoretry]

If a $5 VP machine runs $20 up to $125, the odds of it hitting a jackpot on the next hand do not change. The difference is you are risking the casino's money, not yours. You could just cash out at $125 and take the money and run, but where's the fun in that?

This is the statement that initiated this round of debate. To me, it clearly suggests that taking on additional risk if you're lucky enough to be ahead is OK, because it's not your money anyways. I simply pointed out that it is YOUR MONEY, not the casino's, that is at risk.

[FloridaPhil]

Big jackpots are rare. They are like being hit by lightning. The problem with most gamblers is once they hit one they change their plan. All of a sudden they are high rollers without the high roller bankroll. They think, "This is the casino's money and I can play big for free!" Ninety nine percent of the time, they give the money back to the casino. I know this from years of experience with my own play.

These days I still take a small pot shot once in a while. It's part of the fun. However, if I get hit by lightning, I cash the ticket and walk away. I don't change my plan just because I have a pocket full of money. If you continue to play like you take a pot shot, you are betting you will get hit by lightning twice in the same session. This is largely how the casino pays it's bills.

Winning at video poker requires some luck. There are things you can do to make yourself luckier. Players should take classes, read books, buy training software, learn to play the game perfectly and practice. All of these things increase your chance of getting lucky. Good money management and discipline teaches you to keep the money you win.

There are only 5 card buttons on a video poker machine. My dog could hit a big jackpot if I placed the bet for her. If she did, she would be a long term video poker winner. I would love to see the look on the pay ladies face when they hand her the W2G.

[Tedlark]

Neither: taking classes, reading books, buying training software, learning to play the game perfectly, nor practice, will make you luckier or increase your chance of getting lucky.

Getting back on topic: I've never sat down at a machine and played the wrong denomination because I failed to check what denomination the game was set to play at when I sat down.

[onemoretry]

Big jackpots are rare. They are like being hit by lightning. The problem with most gamblers is once they hit one they change their plan. All of a sudden they are high rollers without the high roller bankroll. They think, "This is the casino's money and I can play big for free!" Ninety nine percent of the time, they give the money back to the casino. I know this from years of experience with my own play.

These days I still take a small pot shot once in a while. It's part of the fun. However, if I get hit by lightning, I cash the ticket and walk away. I don't change my plan just because I have a pocket full of money. If you continue to play like you take a pot shot, you are betting you will get hit by lightning twice in the same session. This is largely how the casino pays it's bills.

This all makes total sense. Which begs the question: Why did you previously make that comment that, having hit a good hand, you're now playing with the casino's money?

[FloridaPhil]

There is no "my" money or "casino" money. You don't win anything unless you go home with it.

Over the two year period that I played quarter CS, I played 99% of my hands with single coin quarters. This freed up a lot of money for pot shots. Some of these pot shots paid off. At the end of two years, I made money playing 96-97% games. According to the experts, this was not suppose to happen. I said I was lucky, but they still didn't accept it. Does this prove the experts wrong? No. All it shows is that luck (randomness) plays a part in all video poker results.

Is it possible that a player could play VP 10 years without a royal? We have had a few members who have reported this result. How do you explain that? What would happen if it happened to an Advantage Player? Where is their advantage if their results fall on the short side of the math curve? As long as the games are random, VP will always be gambling.

[Vman96]

Is it possible that a player could play VP 10 years without a royal? We have had a few members who have reported this result. How do you explain that?

Who has reported that here?

And how many hands have they played?

Because if they have only played 5000 hands of VP in 10 years, then I definitely expect they haven't hit a Royal yet.

Hell, it took me almost ten years in a casino to get one. But, I hadn't played over 100k hands at that point. So being Royalless for that long is far from surprising. Time is irrelevant. Hands are what matter.